Evidence of meeting #24 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was sandbox.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Power  Executive Director, Red Tape Reduction Office, Treasury Board Secretariat
Young  Senior Director, Red Tape Reduction Office, Treasury Board Secretariat
DeSousa  National President, Public Service Alliance of Canada
McCarthy  Director, Negotiations and Research Branch, Public Service Alliance of Canada

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Thank you very much.

Before I excuse you, if you don't mind, I'll ask a couple of quick questions.

Were the 68,000 letters you mentioned that were sent out about early retirement a requirement of your collective agreement, or was it a policy decision to blanket it out?

5:20 p.m.

National President, Public Service Alliance of Canada

Sharon DeSousa

That was a policy decision.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Okay.

I think you mentioned 40,000 jobs. Do you have a breakdown of contracts and indeterminates, and how many are expected to be through attrition?

5:20 p.m.

National President, Public Service Alliance of Canada

Sharon DeSousa

It's 30,000 jobs over the next three years. There were 10,000 that happened in 2024. They looked first at the term employees, and then they looked at indeterminates.

In terms of the future and the next three years, we're not given that visionary piece. All we're given is 48 hours' notice of when to expect notices that will go out to our members.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Okay. Thank you very much. I appreciate the responses.

You are excused. You're welcome to hang around for five minutes while we talk about our upcoming schedule, but I assume you have better things to do. Thank you for being with us today.

Colleagues, this will be very quick. Before we excuse ourselves, on Thursday, we have the Information Commissioner. For the last half an hour or so, we're going to go in camera for a discussion on how we wish to proceed with all the information we got from our Bill C-15 study and how we want to present it to FINA. We will discuss that among ourselves informally in camera.

On February 10, in the first hour, we have the President of the Treasury Board on this issue, and then Mr. Guzman is back with us with Secretary of State Fuhr for that delayed study.

On Thursday, February 12, we're back on Bill C-15, like today. The first hour is going to be with Minister Lightbound and his officials.

On the 24th, we will wrap up the Bill C-15 study with the president of Canada Post.

There's another issue. If you remember the letter that came from FINA, as well as the motion that was passed, it asks that we hold a meeting about “ethical, accountability, and transparency implications of Division 5” of the Red Tape Reduction Act, “including issues related to regulatory authority, governance, public oversight, and integrity in federal administration”. I do not know who wrote that.

What they've asked of us is separate from today's meeting. That was part of the motion. I'm going to suggest that we do it in the second hour of February 12, and that for this study, each party put forward one witness they would like in this one hour. Is that clear? Excellent. You could get back to us by February 5.

I think that's all we have for now.

An hon. member

Is it for the end of day on the 5th?

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

It's for 3 p.m. Wonderful. If you wish, we can resend the letter that explains it.

I'll be honest. I'm not sure why FINA separated the ethical accountability specifically from today's meeting, but it was written into the motion as well. I imagine that if there's no desire to look at this specific issue, we could have unanimous consent to withdraw that part, but it was in the motion that was passed and presented by Ms. Rochefort. We can look at that next week.

Thanks everyone, I appreciate it. We'll get everyone out six minutes early.

We're adjourned.