Evidence of meeting #36 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site.) The winning word was clause.

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Marc Chénier  Senior Officer and Counsel, Privy Council Office
Philippe Méla  Procedural Clerk
Natasha Kim  Director, Democratic Reform, Privy Council Office

7:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

All right.

Did you move it?

7:25 p.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor, NL

I so move.

7:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Thanks.

On amendment LIB-13. It affects something doesn't it? Amendment PV-24, to be exact.

Mr. Scott.

7:25 p.m.

NDP

Craig Scott NDP Toronto—Danforth, ON

I have a point of information, which might be for the legislative clerk or maybe the people from PCO.

If I understand this, now that we have passed everything else, the current wording of section 41 in clause 22 is quite consequential on what we've already adopted, and that to vote against this would create almost textual confusion in the act.

7:25 p.m.

Marc Chénier Senior Officer and Counsel, Privy Council Office

Amendment LIB-13 would remove the changes to the transposition of results process. That's the process after there's a redistribution, to determine which parties finished first and second in the electoral district.

7:25 p.m.

NDP

Craig Scott NDP Toronto—Danforth, ON

Exactly, but at the moment the Bill C-23 amendment adds “registered associations or registered parties” to the existing section 41. So here, having lost all along, I'm just worried that if we vote with Mr. Simms on this one, we'll leave in place a provision that doesn't reference registered associations or parties, which we have already voted to include.

7:25 p.m.

Senior Officer and Counsel, Privy Council Office

Marc Chénier

That's correct.

7:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Does that make this out of order? No?

Then I guess we're voting on it.

Would you like a recorded vote?

7:25 p.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor, NL

No, that's fine.

7:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

We'll vote on amendment LIB-13.

7:25 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

On division.

(Amendment negatived on division [See Minutes of Proceedings])

7:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

That would then do the same thing with amendment PV-24.

We're now at amendments LIB-14 and PV-25. The vote on one applies to the other, the same as just a minute ago.

Ms. May, would you like to do the honours on this one?

7:25 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Amendment PV-25 goes back to clause 22. Our intention here is to...and again, the likelihood here is that, as in the previous commentary, in trying to make the act work in relation to the redistribution of ridings, if we were going to have adopted the previous motions, this would have been an important consequential amendment. Since we haven't accepted the previous amendments, I'm not sure.

Mr. Chair, if I were moving this, I might not move it, but since it is deemed to have been moved by this strange process in which I am now operating, I don't know how to approach it other than to say that the previous votes have made this one rather problematic.

7:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Let's just go to the vote, and maybe—

7:25 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Whoever deemed this to be put forward could deem it to be removed. I am not sure how the deeming process works; I'm not a member of the committee.

7:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

I think the easiest way is to just try the vote on it and see what happens.

7:25 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Okay.

7:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

The question is on amendments LIB-14 and PV-25.

7:30 p.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor, NL

Could we have a recorded vote?

7:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Certainly, it will be a recorded vote.

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Mr. Scott, you'll tell me when we're supposed to get to amendment NDP-18. Are we there yet?

7:30 p.m.

NDP

Craig Scott NDP Toronto—Danforth, ON

No.

7:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Not yet? Okay.

Shall clause 22 carry?

7:30 p.m.

An hon. member

On division.

7:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

(Clause 22 agreed to on division)

(On clause 23)

We're now at amendment NDP-23.

7:30 p.m.

NDP

Craig Scott NDP Toronto—Danforth, ON

Mr. Chair, I'm going to explain what I'm doing just so there's no confusion.