Evidence of meeting #44 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was support.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Gladstone  Chair, Intentional Community Consortium
Savage  Director, Réseau d'aide aux personnes seules et itinérantes de Montréal
Lloyd  Chief Executive Officer, Safe Haven Foundation of Canada
Miles  Lived Experience Advocate, As an Individual
Vandal  Executive Director, Zone Libre Memphrémagog
Boozary  Executive Director, Gattuso Centre for Social Medicine, As an Individual
Thiessen  Executive Director, Oxford House Foundation of Canada

Gurbux Saini Liberal Fleetwood—Port Kells, BC

We know addiction can play a huge role in an individual becoming homeless and having difficulty accessing things like shelter or transitional housing. Can you share some of your experience in this negative cycle?

9:05 a.m.

Director, Réseau d'aide aux personnes seules et itinérantes de Montréal

Annie Savage

In fact, one of the challenges in Montreal relates to the need for shelters with a high tolerance threshold. To operate those shelters, you absolutely have to have a trained response team. We have to be able to maintain ties with people and offer services at their pace. When those conditions are met, people often take the necessary steps themselves to stop using and improve their living conditions.

There is no doubt that the precarious and ad hoc funding conditions as well as the many disruptions make it difficult to maintain that trust. Every time we request projects, we break that link. Often, we have to stop programs and hire other teams, and the work has to start all over again. Instability in living environments is one of the main challenges in adequately supporting people, particularly those who have substance use issues.

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Thank you, Ms. Savage.

Ms. Larouche, you have the floor for two and a half minutes.

Andréanne Larouche Bloc Shefford, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Once again, I want to thank all the witnesses for being here today.

I'm going to continue with you, Ms. Savage, even though it's heartbreaking and I'm running out of time.

I understand what you just said. The issue of the stability of caseworkers to support people is really essential. We're talking about a homelessness intervention program. We talked about housing.

Going back to the other elements that could be worked on proactively, do you see the face of homelessness changing?

Are you seeing more women or seniors on the street?

Is it because of renovictions or the lack of a social safety net?

9:05 a.m.

Director, Réseau d'aide aux personnes seules et itinérantes de Montréal

Annie Savage

I am pleased for the opening to talk about homelessness among women. It may not be as disturbing, but it is still chronic. So we have to address the issue.

In Montreal, organizations that provide shelter to women in difficulty and women's shelters reported turning away more than 40,000 people in 2025. That has been documented by the people at the Partenariat pour la prévention et la lutte à l’itinérance des femmes, or PPLIF. We are seeing more and more older women. As for the face of homelessness, I would add that more and more people who have a job are lining up to get food and a bed at night. Day centres are full of people who have been given keys, but who don't have the support to establish themselves in their living environment, to feel comfortable between four walls and to find support and community through health care.

We could also talk about youth homelessness, which we see less of in mixed resources and emergency resources. We need to welcome them into environments that are suited to their needs and realities. Les Auberges du cœur, in Quebec, is an important network that should be strengthened and adequately supported because it offers not only community housing, but also responses to the challenge of transitional housing and even permanent housing in some cases.

Andréanne Larouche Bloc Shefford, QC

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Thank you, Ms. Larouche and Ms. Savage.

Ms. DeRidder, you have five minutes.

Kelly DeRidder Conservative Kitchener Centre, ON

Thank you, Chair.

Before I ask a couple of questions, I'd like to put a motion on notice for the committee. It reads:

That, given that:

homelessness, addiction and mental health challenges continue to have significant impacts on individuals, families and communities across Canada;

communities across the country continue to experience rising homelessness, ongoing substance use harms and increasing pressure on frontline services;

the current approaches have not delivered the outcomes Canadians deserve;

Canadians are demanding a renewed focus on prevention, early intervention, treatment, recovery, housing stability and community reintegration, with measurable outcomes that help individuals achieve long-term health, stability and independence; and

it is important that federal investments support measurable outcomes, accountability and access to services that help Canadians achieve long-term recovery, stability and independence;

the committee report to the House its recommendation that the Government of Canada:

evaluate whether current approaches are achieving their intended outcomes and prioritize investments that demonstrate measurable results in treatment, recovery, housing stability, and long-term independence; and

administer existing federal initiatives and funding commitments in a way that prioritizes:

stronger access to treatment, recovery and mental health supports;

expanded access to stable housing options, including transitional and supportive housing where appropriate;

prevention and early interventions that reduce the risk of homelessness and substance use harms;

measurable outcomes, accountability and long-term support for individuals seeking stability, recovery and independence; and

collaboration among federal, provincial, territorial, municipal, indigenous and community partners to improve outcomes for Canadians affected by homelessness, addiction and related social challenges.

Thank you, Chair.

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Thank you, Ms. DeRidder. You have put it on notice.

You have three minutes left of your questioning time.

9:10 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly DeRidder Conservative Kitchener Centre, ON

Thank you.

Ms. Lloyd, thank you for sharing your story with the committee today. Sometimes it can be hard to come forward and share. I appreciate you so much for being here today. I'm going to start with you.

You focus a lot on upstream supports for prevention, which are incredibly important for the prevention of homelessness. In a world where you could see these supports in a very true, preventative way, what are some of the programs that you think would be important to implement? You mentioned education. Inside of that, though, where do we need to put these programs in place for prevention across Canada?

9:10 a.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Safe Haven Foundation of Canada

Krystyna Lloyd

Thank you for the question and the kind words.

Absolutely they should be within education systems. That means really supporting both teachers and educators with education, understanding and coaching for identifying those indicators. It's happening inherently, but they're not trained to do this work. Then there is investing more heavily in guidance counsellors within schools, which is where we're going to have the most success, and in child and family systems. In Alberta, we're receiving a number of referrals from children and family services because they are so overwhelmed, and they are prioritizing younger children, not youth who are experiencing this.

To define hidden homelessness more succinctly, it is the period of time when someone has lost or left their housing and before they present to systems and end up in a shelter. For girls and young women, that's when they're so much at risk for entering survival relationships and experiencing gender-based violence, so by the time they do present to systems, they have experienced very high levels of trauma that is very difficult to recover from.

9:15 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly DeRidder Conservative Kitchener Centre, ON

Thank you.

Mr. Gladstone, I want to ask you a quick question.

You mentioned the need for a carve-out from Build Canada Homes for people with disabilities. I agree completely. I just learned about what true barrier-free is for those with disabilities. What portion of that do you think is required to ensure that they're supported through the Build Canada Homes program?

9:15 a.m.

Chair, Intentional Community Consortium

Gary Gladstone

One of my recommendations is that all housing supported by Build Canada Homes be B3 fire code-compliant, which would mean that anyone who needs assistance barrier-free can access it and everything is visitable, and where higher needs are available, that can be built in. The other issue we're having in Ontario, which is spreading across the country, is that if homes are not built to that standard and three or more individuals are supported by one agency, they're being evicted by the fire marshal.

We need better fire controls, dual stairways, larger elevators, etc. If they're built from the get-go, the extra cost is not significant. If that's something Build Canada Homes insisted on, more homes would be available for those with any type of disability, specifically developmental disabilities.

9:15 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly DeRidder Conservative Kitchener Centre, ON

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Thank you, Ms. DeRidder.

Ms. Church will conclude this round with five minutes.

Leslie Church Liberal Toronto—St. Paul's, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you to all the guests. This is a very important discussion that we're having today.

Mr. Gladstone, thank you very much for your comments. I want to pick up on and give you a chance to expand on a couple of points you made that I think are very important.

I very much share the concern around the overwhelming need for supportive housing right now for people with intellectual disabilities and with a range of disabilities. I know that the ICC and Reena are doing tremendous work in that regard.

I want to ask you a bit about the point you were making about how to ensure that supportive housing projects get built. In addition to the carve-out, what are the ways in which we can support ensuring that projects such as this come forward? I've heard from other organizations that it's about things like making sure we get through the design phase so that projects are more shovel-ready, but what advice do you have for us to make sure that the supportive housing dollars we've set aside really translate into action?

9:15 a.m.

Chair, Intentional Community Consortium

Gary Gladstone

Thank you very much for your kind comments and for the question.

I believe that one of the best ways is to have organizations on the ground work with their member agencies to ensure that they know what they are doing. For instance, the whole raison d’être of the Intentional Community Consortium is that most of our members and developmental service agencies across the country are not in the building business, but they have no choice because there aren't appropriate properties for the individuals they support to live in, so they have become builders. Some have a tremendous background, as you indicated, such as those from Reena—thank you very much for visiting some of our properties—and some of our other members.

Building up and providing funds for the Intentional Community Consortium to bring all our members up to speed, with the sharing of information, the sharing of floor plans, etc., will enable more projects to be shovel-ready more quickly. The whole raison d’être of the ICC was the sharing of information among our agencies to make sure that everybody could benefit, not just the large ones. That would be a tremendous help.

Leslie Church Liberal Toronto—St. Paul's, ON

Let me ask you a bit about your point about standards. I know one of the discussions we're often seeing within the disability community is around how we ensure that accessible housing is built as broadly as possible. We have Accessibility Standards Canada. We have a certification from the Rick Hansen Foundation.

How should we be looking at ensuring that accessible design is being built into supportive and mixed-use housing and our whole range of housing?

9:20 a.m.

Chair, Intentional Community Consortium

Gary Gladstone

First of all, the Rick Hansen Foundation does incredible work, and I'm very pleased that in particular the Lou Fruitman Reena Residence and soon the Frankfort Family Reena Residence will be gold-certified by Rick Hansen. I think that is one the CMHC has been using. I also think it's important that B3 fire code compliance be a standard for anything that Build Canada Homes is looking at financing, which will increase that as well.

Leslie Church Liberal Toronto—St. Paul's, ON

Let me ask you a question about the mission of the ICC, which I know is to expand affordable housing projects for mixed-use.

Can you describe to us in concrete terms what mixed-use means? That is, in my experience, such an innovative approach to supportive housing, and it's still not well known.

9:20 a.m.

Chair, Intentional Community Consortium

Gary Gladstone

The intentional community is a place where everyone can live with independence and control their keys, with different people in the building supported by either different agencies or different types of rent depending on what suits the needs of our member agencies the best. The ICC is agnostic on the types of housing and supports that are there as long as there are additional supports and individuals with developmental disabilities are included.

As you are aware, in the Lou Fruitman Reena Residence in Thornhill, we have individuals supported by Reena, by March of Dimes Canada, by Safehaven for medically complex children and young adults and by YSSN for transitional youth and seniors. Many of our members have mixed-use buildings of supportive housing for those with developmental disabilities, affordable housing or friendly neighbours who help the individuals living there. It's all needed, and it all works wonderfully well.

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Thank you, Mrs. Church.

Thank you to all the witnesses.

That will conclude the first round. We'll suspend for a few moments while we transition to the second round.

We are suspended.

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Welcome back, committee members.

I'd like to welcome our new witnesses for this round.

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Each presenter will have up to five minutes for an opening statement. When you're at five or a bit over, I'll say thank you and ask you to bring your comments to a conclusion.

Appearing with us now are Dr. Andrew Boozary, executive director, Gattuso Centre for Social Medicine; Jason Miles, lived experience advocate, as an individual; and Earl Thiessen, Oxford House Foundation of Canada.

Mr. Thiessen, welcome back. You were with us before and we had sound issues, so thank you for coming back.

Finally, from Zone Libre Memphrémagog, we have Sarah Vandal.

We'll begin with Mr. Miles for up to five minutes.

Jason Miles Lived Experience Advocate, As an Individual

Good morning, everyone.

My name is Jason Miles. I'm here to speak about homelessness and housing in Canada. I'm also here today as someone who is now housed and more than two and a half years free from my addiction.

I know I'm one of the lucky ones. There was a time when I truly did not believe I would ever be able to say that again. I spent approximately six years homeless on the streets of Toronto, living with severe mental health struggles, physical health issues and an addiction that completely took over my life.

During that time, my life became a cycle of trying to survive. I went through repeated attempts to get help, moments of recovery that didn't last, time in and out of jail, and periods when I was actively using and unable to break free from it. I experienced multiple overdoses and serious injuries, and more than once I came very close to not waking up again. There were moments when I did not think I would make it through another night.

The hardest part is that I did not go through that alone. My family and friends went through it too. Often, people who loved me had no idea where I was or if I was even alive. Sometimes the only time they would hear anything was through a call from a hospital or from the justice system telling them where I had ended up again. Homelessness and addiction don't stay with one person. They ripple out to everyone around them.

Before all of this, my life looked completely different from the outside. I had education. I had a long-term marriage. I had children. I owned a home. I worked as a construction superintendent and delivered major infrastructure projects across Toronto, including hospitals. I had a career that on paper looked successful and stable. Nothing about my life suggested I would end up homeless.

However, what I've learned is that homelessness does not discriminate. It doesn't matter what you've achieved, what you've earned or what your life looked like before. It can happen through a combination of circumstances, timing and the moment when support is not there when you need it most.

For me, it was a divorce, it was a poorly timed car accident and it was the strain of an overwhelming workload I could no longer carry. Within a short period of time, everything collapsed. On paper, I made too much money to qualify for the supports I needed, and that gap—that space between systems—is where I fell.

From there, it took years to climb out. It took almost every part of the system at different points: hospitals, emergency care shelters, harm reduction services and treatment supports, which I accessed more than once. It took frontline workers who kept showing up for me even when I couldn't show up for myself.

Honestly, it also took luck, like moments when the right person was there at the right time. I think that's what matters. When survival and recovery depend that much on luck, something in the system is not working. I'm sitting here today because I made it through that system, and I want to use my experience to speak about what needs to change so others don't have to rely on the same level of luck that I did.

First, we need to stop treating housing, mental health and addiction as separate systems. In reality, they are happening together for most people experiencing homelessness. When systems stay siloed, people fall through the gaps between them. We need integrated, coordinated supports where housing is the foundation and not the reward for recovery.

Second, we need a clear and navigable housing system that people can actually understand and use. Right now, access is fragmented across multiple wait-lists, unclear eligibility rules and different organizations controlling different parts of the process. Even frontline workers struggle to navigate it. We need a single, transparent pathway into housing, with clear information on where housing is available, how people are prioritized and how decisions are going to be made.

Third, we need to scale supportive housing across the full spectrum of need—low, medium and high support—and need to ensure people are matched appropriately. Coming off the street is not just about a unit. It requires health care, mental health support, addiction care and ongoing stability. When people are placed in the wrong level of care, they are more likely to cycle back into crisis. We need housing that is matched to need and not availability.

Finally, we need to change the public conversation about supportive housing in this country. There is still fear and misinformation about what these homes are and who they serve, but the evidence in my lived experience is clear: Supportive housing reduces pressures on hospitals, shelters and the justice system, and it costs less than letting people remain unhoused.

We need to be honest with the public. The current system is already expensive. The question is whether we spend that money in crisis or on housing that actually works.

There was a time when I did not believe I would ever be sitting here speaking to you. I'm grateful to be here, and I'm here because I believe others deserve the same chance I was given but without needing the same level of luck. What I needed was not more effort; it was a system that didn't require luck.

Thank you for your time.

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Thank you, Mr. Miles.

We'll now go to Ms. Vandal for her opening statement.