Evidence of meeting #18 for Justice and Human Rights in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was brunswick.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Catherine Latimer  General Counsel and Director General, Youth Justice, Strategic Initiatives and Law Reform, Department of Justice
Kelly Lamrock  Minister of Social Development and Attorney General, Government of New Brunswick
Line Lacasse  As an Individual
Luc Lacasse  As an Individual

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Stephen Woodworth Conservative Kitchener Centre, ON

I just wanted to see that you agreed with me. Thank you.

I also wonder what you think about the possibility of a judge sentencing a young person being allowed to look at the history of that young person's encounters with the law, even when they don't result in offences. Do you agree with that or not?

12:55 p.m.

As an Individual

Line Lacasse

Yes, I agree because that would at least give them a good idea about what the person was before. That was not possible in the case of Sébastien's murderer. They could not check his record. Otherwise, we could have known that he might be able to commit such a violent crime.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Stephen Woodworth Conservative Kitchener Centre, ON

I agree with you. I know it sounds like kind of an odd question, but the reason I ask it is that no less a person than the Attorney General of New Brunswick sat in the same chair you are sitting in and told this committee that he did not think a judge should be able to look at those patterns of previous criminal conduct that didn't result in convictions.

Those are my....

I'm sorry; did you have something further to add on that?

12:55 p.m.

As an Individual

Line Lacasse

At the end of the day, it is as if we are saying that young people are never responsible for their actions.

12:55 p.m.

As an Individual

Luc Lacasse

It is trivialized.

12:55 p.m.

As an Individual

Line Lacasse

It is trivialized indeed. But it can still show the young person's journey before he gets to that point. We trivialize that. We think that, at the age of 16 or 17, the brain of a young person is not developed enough to understand that he is causing harm. I fully agree with checking the records.

And we have not been protecting our society after Sébastien's murder. All these individuals continue to roam the streets. They stabbed someone else in Brossard. Luckily, he did not die. There is still the fact that there were two boys after Sébastien. One of them was not 18 when Sébastien died.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Stephen Woodworth Conservative Kitchener Centre, ON

I want to thank you.

12:55 p.m.

As an Individual

Line Lacasse

Thank you.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

In fact, your time is up.

It is so seldom that we actually hear from victims. I think that Canadians and your government should be listening to victims more often. I think we'd get a much better picture of the challenges facing us in the criminal justice system.

Again, to both of you, thank you.

12:55 p.m.

As an Individual

Line Lacasse

Thank you.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

We're adjourned.