Let me start, Mr. Casey, by saying.... We've said that from the start. We've been among the most vocal supporters of section 13. We've gone to court a number of times, even since that day, to support it.
But it's not one thing. You're asking where's the...I don't know, the straw that broke the camel's back. I'm not trying to find the perfect cliché for that. But what has happened? It's an accumulation of factors. We're talking about something from almost four years ago, or three and a half years ago, when I made that statement on behalf of the organization. What I've seen is that the statement was made in the context of a hope that the legislation would be fixed. Legislation has not been fixed, Mr. Casey, and I don't see any legislation on the table to fix it.
So we, as a human rights organization, are faced with a situation where we're talking about tools, not results. At the end of the day, we know what we want. We want a Canada where minorities are free from hate speech, where Jews aren't defamed as a group because they're Jews, where blacks can feel comfortable—all of that.
What we've seen, three and a half years later, is that it's working less and less. This, for example, was before the Elmasry and Rogers case, which is a seminal case in the history of human rights commissions and human rights law dealing with hate speech, with the whole notion of Maclean's and Rogers, even as a big company, having to go through all of that. There have been a number of them.
There's our own resolution of a frivolous and vexatious human rights complaint. We've been on both sides of them. Again, we've seen some of the procedural problems. We've actually gone to court in the Lemire case, where procedural problems were what caused the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal to set it aside.
The position we took with the court is that this is a question for Parliament, not the court. The legislation isn't unconstitutional, but what's happened, eventually, as the law always evolves, is that now we feel that the circumstances have changed. Also, as I say, part of it is that the public just doesn't have the same level of respect for it that they used to.
We had hoped there would be changes. They haven't happened. What we're pinning our hopes on, to be very honest with you, Mr. Casey, is that some of the hopes that we've been putting on section 13 now will go onto section 319. We're hoping this will be part of a package, and we're hoping this committee will see fit to be involved in that process.