Evidence of meeting #6 for Medical Assistance in Dying in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was research.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Brian Mishara  Director, Centre for Research and Intervention on Suicide, Ethical Issues and End-of-Life Practices, Université du Québec à Montréal, As an Individual
Sanjeev Sockalingam  Senior Vice-President, Education, and Chief Medical Officer, Centre for Addiction and Mental Health
Rosemary Moodie  Senator, Ontario, ISG
Flordeliz  Gigi) Osler (Senator, Manitoba, CSG
Kristopher Wells  Senator, Alberta, PSG
McCormick  Professor, Thompson Rivers University, As an Individual
Belanger  Chief Executive Officer, Indigenous Disability Canada

8:25 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Indigenous Disability Canada

Neil Belanger

Thank you.

The Joint Chair Liberal Marcus Powlowski

Mrs. DeBellefeuille, you have the floor.

Claude DeBellefeuille Bloc Beauharnois—Salaberry—Soulanges—Huntingdon, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Mr. Belanger, pardon my ignorance on the indigenous issue, but I'm curious by nature and want to understand and learn.

When you speak, you represent your group, but I'd like to know where the demand you expressed—to exclude indigenous communities from medical assistance in dying—comes from. Is that a motion or a decision by all first nations and Inuit communities? Is that a demand that's currently being pushed on the government, or is it more your opinion as a representative of the group you're here on behalf of today?

As a member of Parliament, my grand chief has never approached me or contacted me to discuss this desire to exclude his community.

Are all nations, including the Inuit, making this request?

8:25 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Indigenous Disability Canada

Neil Belanger

I don't speak for all first nations. I don't speak for any first nation. I don't speak for any of the 53 Inuit communities. I speak for our organization and our experience with the people we serve, who are indigenous people with disabilities. Our perspective is, of course—

Claude DeBellefeuille Bloc Beauharnois—Salaberry—Soulanges—Huntingdon, QC

Forgive me for interrupting you, but it's important for me to understand whether it's your opinion and that of your organization or a request from first nations and Inuit that you're relaying to our committee. Thank you for your answer.

Professor McCormick, I wanted to know whether there are people in indigenous communities asking for medical assistance in dying, which is currently legal, but Mr. Belanger didn't have any data to share with me. Do you have any figures? Is there a trend? Are indigenous people using this care, which is available and legal?

8:25 p.m.

Professor, Thompson Rivers University, As an Individual

Roderick McCormick

No, I don't have it. I'm not sure if that data is available. It should be, but I don't have it.

The Joint Chair Liberal Marcus Powlowski

Thank you very much, Mrs. DeBellefeuille.

We now have Senator Moodie for two minutes.

8:25 p.m.

Senator, Ontario, ISG

Rosemary Moodie

I want to ask Professor McCormick this. Do you have any data whatsoever that sheds light for us on what is happening with the use of MAID in your communities more broadly?

8:25 p.m.

Professor, Thompson Rivers University, As an Individual

Roderick McCormick

No, I haven't researched it. I've read the report that was done, the consultation. That's the data I have. Again, it was one city per province that was surveyed.

8:25 p.m.

Senator, Ontario, ISG

Rosemary Moodie

You're not uniquely in a position where you can judge the validity or have a comparative basis for this particular type of data. You've read it as I have or anybody else has. Would that be true?

8:25 p.m.

Professor, Thompson Rivers University, As an Individual

Roderick McCormick

That's correct.

8:25 p.m.

Senator, Ontario, ISG

Rosemary Moodie

Is it reasonable to say that you bring a certain expertise today to this committee, but it does not relate directly to MAID or to the use of MAID in communities?

8:25 p.m.

Professor, Thompson Rivers University, As an Individual

Roderick McCormick

I bring 40 years as a clinician working with indigenous people who are experiencing mental illness. That's what I'm bringing to this committee.

8:25 p.m.

Senator, Ontario, ISG

Rosemary Moodie

You don't have a direct connection with mental illness to MAID, though, because you aren't able to give us the information of what that connection might be.

8:25 p.m.

Professor, Thompson Rivers University, As an Individual

8:25 p.m.

Senator, Ontario, ISG

Rosemary Moodie

Maybe I'm not clear in how I'm asking for it. Do you have a connection?

8:25 p.m.

Professor, Thompson Rivers University, As an Individual

Roderick McCormick

No, I don't have that data. I don't even know if it's available.

8:25 p.m.

Senator, Ontario, ISG

The Joint Chair Liberal Marcus Powlowski

We have Senator Wells for the final two minutes.

Kristopher Wells

Mr. Belanger, the Health Canada report published in December 2025, entitled “Indigenous perspectives on end-of-life care, including medical assistance in dying: What we heard”, reported hearing the following from elders of first nations, Inuit and Métis people:

We need to reclaim our death and end-of-life processes.

When our loved ones die, we should have the right to bring them home.

I fear losing the ability to decide for myself.

It is concerning that there is a lot of misinformation about MAID.

Mr. Belanger, I agree that colonialism in Canada's systemic exclusion of indigenous people has led to unacceptable rates of suicide in indigenous communities. If this is what we're hearing, what I quoted to you from the Government of Canada from indigenous people themselves, how should we then balance these points of view with the removal of MAID track 2 that you suggested here today?

8:30 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Indigenous Disability Canada

Neil Belanger

Well, I'd like to know, is it from the 200 people who responded to the survey?

8:30 p.m.

Senator, Alberta, PSG

Kristopher Wells

It's from the Health Canada consultation they did.

8:30 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Indigenous Disability Canada

Neil Belanger

It could be 200 people out of a population of 1.8 million.

Again, as we've heard, I'm not denying that there may be people in the community who are supportive of track 2 MAID or MAID, but if you'll remember from the previous committees, the majority of the indigenous witnesses, the leadership and persons with disabilities all spoke against it. I can't comment on a survey of 200 people out of a population of 1.8 million to say this is some kind of tangible document that we have to reinforce.

8:30 p.m.

Senator, Alberta, PSG

Kristopher Wells

You don't think the document produced by Health Canada is credible?

8:30 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Indigenous Disability Canada

Neil Belanger

I think it's lacking.