Evidence of meeting #14 for National Defence in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was arctic.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

George Da Pont  Commissioner, Canadian Coast Guard, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
René Grenier  Deputy Commissioner, Canadian Coast Guard, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Danielle Labonté  Director General, Northern Strategic Priorities, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development
John Kozij  Director, Strategic Policy and Integration Directorate, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development
Doug Bancroft  Director, Canadian Ice Service, Department of the Environment
Don Lemmen  Research Manager, Climate Change Impacts and Adaptation Division, Department of Natural Resources
Monique Carpentier  Director General, Coordination and Strategic Issues Branch, Department of Natural Resources

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Maxime Bernier

Good afternoon. The Standing Committee on National Defence is meeting today for its 14th hearing.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Monday, February 23, 2009, we will do our study on Arctic sovereignty.

We have with us today witnesses from the Department of Fisheries and Oceans and the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs Canada.

I would ask that you begin with your presentations. Each department has some five to seven minutes to make its presentation, and then there will be a round of questions from the committee members.

The floor is yours. Mr. George Da Pont, from the Department of Fisheries and Oceans, would you please begin? Thank you. The floor is yours.

3:30 p.m.

George Da Pont Commissioner, Canadian Coast Guard, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I would like to thank the committee for the invitation and appreciate the opportunity to make an opening statement.

Let me begin by introducing René Grenier, the Deputy Commissioner of the Coast Guard. Earlier in his career, Mr. Grenier was a captain in our icebreaker fleet, so he has considerable experience working the Arctic.

I understand your committee is studying the current role of the Canadian Forces in Arctic sovereignty, and that you've invited the Canadian Coast Guard to discuss our operations in Canada's north.

Let me begin by explaining very briefly who we are. The Canadian Coast Guard is a special operating agency within the Department of Fisheries and Oceans. It delivers a series of maritime programs that focus on safety and facilitate maritime commerce. It also supports the maritime priorities and programs of DFO and other federal government departments, and in the past few years it has been playing an increasing support role in the area of maritime security.

We have a rather long and proud history of service in the Arctic. While the modern-day coast guard was created in 1962, the first of what were then called sovereignty patrols was carried out as far back as 1903 by vessels in what was then the Department of Marine and Fisheries. Nowadays, every year we deploy a total of seven icebreakers in the Arctic from late June to early November. Not surprisingly, they are often the first to arrive and the last to leave the area.

These vessels deliver a range of coast guard programs and services. For example, they provide ice escort services to commercial ships; they deploy, maintain, and recover aids to navigation; they perform harbour breakouts; they act as the primary response for ship-sourced pollution incidents; they provide maritime search and rescue services; and they deliver vital food, fuel, and other supplies to remote sites in northern communities where commercial vessels do not go.

The vessels also support a significant amount of scientific research. The members of this committee will no doubt be familiar with the International Polar Year, a global interdisciplinary project that was conducted across the Arctic in 2007 and 2008. Our science icebreaker, the coast guard vessel Amundsen, spent a record 15 months in the Arctic for IPY, making port only twice during that period. She sailed 450 days, travelled close to 32,000 nautical miles, and hosted more than 400 scientists. The efforts of that ship's crew were key to the successful completion of three major scientific missions.

In addition to our icebreakers, we also deploy two buoy tenders in the north. They conduct buoy work on the Mackenzie River. We also have a third vessel, a seasonal vessel dedicated to conducting science work on the Beaufort Sea.

In addition to the vessels, we have a coast guard base in Hay River, and we operate two Arctic maritime communication and traffic service centres that respond to calls for help from vessels at sea. As well, they screen and monitor vessels in Canada's Arctic waters. One of these centres is located in Inuvik and covers the western Arctic; the other is located in Iqaluit and serves the eastern Arctic.

Finally, we have response equipment positioned in 14 Arctic communities. This equipment is capable of containing up to 7,000 tonnes in the event of a marine spill.

Our vessels also provide vital support to the work of other government departments. I can provide a few good examples from last summer.

The CCGS Louis S. St-Laurent carried hundreds of researchers and coast guard personnel north of the Beaufort Sea to map the seabed, in support of Canada's claim to our continental shelf.

The Amundsen, which I just mentioned, was key to the completion of Health Canada's Inuit Health Survey—the first comprehensive look at the health of Canada's Inuit. This survey will form the baseline for future comparisons and provide opportunities for improving our understanding of the changes occurring in our North and how they affect the health and well-being of our Inuit.

We also provide vessels, maritime professionals and shore-based infrastructures to support the Department of National Defence.

Our services to DND include providing training platforms to the Canadian navy, the Royal Canadian Sea Cadets, and Joint Task Force Two. We also conduct search and rescue operations and sovereignty exercises with our DND partners. One example is the annual Operation Nanook, where about 75 coast guard personnel join hundreds of Canadian Forces personnel in and around Iqaluit to test our interoperability skills in on-water exercises, using coast guard and navy vessels.

One of our most evolving roles is in support of Canada's maritime security agenda. The coast guard provides shore-based and fleet assets as well as vessel traffic information and maritime expertise to the security and intelligence community to assist them in delivering their on-water national and maritime security mandate. We use information from safety-related programs and services to provide collateral benefit to the maritime security community to improve maritime domain awareness, such as, for example, the information in the automatic identification system.

We are currently leading the technical implementation and operationalization of the long-range identification and traffic system, which is a satellite-based vessel tracking system prescribed by the International Maritime Organization. It will use existing shipboard equipment to track SOLAS class vessels over 300 tonnes on international voyages. Because it is one of the only vessel traffic systems available in the north, LRIT, as it's called, will be a substantial contribution to maritime security in the Arctic and significantly improve Arctic domain awareness.

To conclude, the coast guard has been and continues to be highly active throughout the Arctic. Our continued operation in Canada's north means that many of the career commanding officers of our icebreakers have more than 20 years' service in the demanding Arctic environment. We're proud of the men and women who serve in our vessels and in the Arctic, and they, arguably, are our most valued asset.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That concludes my opening remarks. We would be pleased to answer any questions you may have.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Maxime Bernier

Thank you, Mr. Da Pont.

Mr. Grenier, do you wish to add anything?

3:40 p.m.

René Grenier Deputy Commissioner, Canadian Coast Guard, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

No, thank you.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Maxime Bernier

Okay.

I will now turn the floor over to Ms. Danielle Labonté, of the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs Canada. The floor is yours.

3:40 p.m.

Danielle Labonté Director General, Northern Strategic Priorities, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

We are pleased today to offer you an overview of the northern strategy and the role Indian and Northern Affairs Canada plays therein.

On page 2, you will find an overview of our department's responsibilities in the North. These responsibilities apply to the three territories, a region which represents 40% of Canada's land mass and is home to a population of some 100,000 inhabitants scattered over this vast territory.

As you can see, these responsibilities are far-reaching, but today I will focus in particular on those at the bottom of the page.

We have an important role at INAC to play in terms of the overall coordination of the activities of federal departments, boards, and agencies in the territories. Our minister is the lead for the northern strategy and plays a very important role in the coordination of various activities under the northern strategy. Our minister also co-signs cabinet documents related to northern issues. We have significant machinery to support the minister's role. Our deputy minister chairs a committee of deputies who meet on a regular basis to ensure that initiatives already announced as funded are being implemented and, on an evergreen basis, to also think of future priorities for the northern strategy. We also have a government structure below that level, at the ADM level, with various working groups at the officials' level.

Turning to slide 3, the Prime Minister announced a northern strategy in October 2007, and you have here the framework for the strategy. There are four integrated and interconnected pillars, and there are also both domestic and international aspects. In terms of circumpolar international affairs, we work very closely with our colleagues at DFAIT, and the department is involved in a number of Arctic Council working groups.

I'd also like to draw your attention to the science and technology element, which is really foundational and cuts across all pillars, because it really is the basis of knowledge to inform good decisions on all the pillars.

With respect to Arctic sovereignty, our key objective of course is to exercise our sovereignty by maintaining a strong presence in the north, enhancing our scientific knowledge and our stewardship of the region, defining our domain, and dealing with the international interests in the region.

The second pillar addresses economic and social development, and we're looking at the potential of the region for development, as well as ensuring that northerners participate in and reap benefits from this development. We also play a role in socio-economic development at INAC and run various economic development programs in the north, and we are also currently planning for the future economic development agency that was recently announced.

Under environmental protection, we have a unique stewardship role in Canada to play to ensure that this vast region is protected. A big driver, of course, as you know, is climate change and the impact it's having on the Arctic.

Finally, under governance, we need to continue our efforts to achieve devolution for all three territories and to complete our land claim agreements.

I'll now just move down a little bit, pillar by pillar, so we'll turn to slide 4.

There are a number of aspects to sovereignty. First is the issue of presence and increasing the federal presence on the land and the water and in the sky over the Arctic. There's also a stewardship aspect, and doing our part to ensure that we can respond to issues and challenges within our territory, such as search and rescue and emergency response. These issues may gain in prominence as Arctic shipping traffic increases.

The media has been quite seized about disputed zones in the Arctic. I know my colleagues from DFAIT will be coming later this week to discuss that, so I won't get into details on those issues.

I would now like to briefly highlight a few key initiatives that are on the way in support of the sovereignty pillar. Moneys have been set aside and the responsible departments are now planning for the construction of offshore patrol vessels, as well as the replacement for the Louis St. Laurent coast guard vessel. The government has also increased the level of effort to delineate Canada's continental shelf in support of the claim we will make to the United Nations in 2013.

Turning now to economic and social development, as you know, interest in the natural resources potential of the Arctic is increasing in Canada and abroad. This is driven in large part by growth and demand for resources and the prospects of easier accessibility to these resources. The current global economic crisis has certainly impacted the north. Some operations have ceased and others have scaled back, but there's a general expectation that commodity prices will rebound, and we certainly expect demand worldwide to continue.

As more development occurs, though, we need to ensure that northerners participate and benefit. The settlement of most of our land claims in the north has positioned northerners well, relative to the past, but we haven't finished the business of land claims. There are persistent challenges in many communities, including education capacity and skill gaps.

Some communities are concerned about the pace of development and whether those decisions will be balanced and take into consideration protection of the pristine wildlife and flora. At the same time, the private sector is looking for greater certainty and timeliness in terms of making decisions. So these are important considerations.

For slide 5, we'd like to talk briefly about climate change. I know you'll hear a little bit more in an hour. Climate change is making it easier, in a way, to unlock the resources of the north, but it's also creating huge adaptation challenges for traditional lifestyles and also for infrastructure and in countless other ways. Reduced ice coverage may open up new shipping lanes and transportation routes in the long term, but in the short term there will be a lot of hazards to navigation. We are therefore expanding the application of the rules under which vessel traffic will function in the Arctic.

We're also concerned about the presence of transported pollutants into the food chain. At the top of that chain are northerners, and they are still relying in great part on traditional foods for their diets. Our northern contaminants programs is instrumental in uncovering data that leads to the implementation of various international instruments, such as the protocol on organic pollutants.

We also need better baseline data to support decisions. The Arctic is huge, and there are huge gaps in our knowledge, so we must invest more in science. Much has been done in the last few years, but there's still a lot to do.

As important as socio-economic growth and environmental protection are, there's also the need to build strong northern governments.

The first aspect of this is to help territorial governments and aboriginal groups set up political and economic institutions that will help them assume their growing responsibilities as part of devolution.

We're also working towards the negotiation and implementation of land claim and self-government agreements. We've made much progress, but it's unfinished business. These agreements are key to supporting economic development and ensuring that aboriginal northerners will benefit from development.

Moving on to slide 6, I'd like to speak a bit to the S and T aspect. We have a robust Arctic science capacity in Canada and it supports a range of core regulatory functions and broader government priorities. We have many world-class scientists, and many young researchers are emerging thanks to recent investments in Arctic science, including International Polar Year.

As you know, the Prime Minister announced that we would establish a world-class research facility in Canada's High Arctic, and we've been making great progress in that area. We'll soon be meeting with and consulting the three communities that have been shortlisted as potential hosts for the future station, and we're moving ahead with the feasibility study.

In the last budget, the amount of $85 million over two years was announced in order to improve scientific infrastructure in the Arctic. These infrastructures exist already and belong to our federal, territorial, academic and native Inuit partners, and we are currently working jointly with them.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Maxime Bernier

You have 30 seconds left, Ms. Labonté.

3:45 p.m.

Director General, Northern Strategic Priorities, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Danielle Labonté

The table on page 7 shows the commitments made to date. I won't go into detail; we have provided it to you as reference.

In conclusion, I would say that just as the north is a vast region, the needs of the north are many. INAC, working with our federal colleagues, will continue to play a lead role in the northern strategy. We'll continue to track the progress and implementation of those initiatives that have been launched and also will continue doing the policy work to inform future policy initiatives.

Thank you very much.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Maxime Bernier

Thank you very much, Ms. Labonté.

I will now turn the floor over to Mr. Wilfert for seven minutes.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Bryon Wilfert Liberal Richmond Hill, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you for being here today.

The Minister of Foreign Affairs is participating in the sixth Arctic Council ministerial meeting in Tromsø, Norway, on April 29. Could you tell us if the departments were consulted? If so, what kinds of priorities did you lay out for the minister to present for Canada at the Tromsø meetings?

3:45 p.m.

Director General, Northern Strategic Priorities, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Danielle Labonté

There have been a number of discussions amongst federal partners, so there have been consultations.

Do you want to add to that, John?

3:45 p.m.

John Kozij Director, Strategic Policy and Integration Directorate, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

We've been tracking this issue for a while. As Danielle mentioned earlier, we have some machinery in place. We have committee structures in place, mostly at the assistant deputy minister level, as well as the deputy minister level. That has been following and tracking this initiative. DFAIT has made regular presentations in terms of providing updates and providing progress in terms of work moving forward.

The two big issues at Tromsø are going to be the publication of the Arctic marine shipping assessment and also an oil and gas study. Those are the two big issues that will come forward to that committee for recommendation and decisions.

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

Bryon Wilfert Liberal Richmond Hill, ON

What has Canada put forth on those two issues in terms of positions?

3:50 p.m.

Director, Strategic Policy and Integration Directorate, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

John Kozij

For both of those, whether it's the marine shipping assessment or the oil and gas report, they're generally part of subcommittee structures under the Arctic Council, and Canada has contributed to the development of the recommendations and also the background diagnostic.

3:50 p.m.

Director General, Northern Strategic Priorities, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Danielle Labonté

They are essentially scientific reports and they will in turn inform domestic and multilateral agreements on various aspects. One of the issues, as we know, is that shipping will be increasing. This will be highlighted in the report, and the various risks and timelines based on ice coverage.

One of the actions that Canada is taking is to strengthen the Arctic Waters Pollution Prevention Act, because we are anticipating that this is now something we need to do as a result of the findings of that report.

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

Bryon Wilfert Liberal Richmond Hill, ON

I assume that would include cruise ships as well, which we're seeing increasingly.

3:50 p.m.

Director General, Northern Strategic Priorities, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

Bryon Wilfert Liberal Richmond Hill, ON

Can you tell me, through you, Mr. Chairman, in terms of the Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development, concerning the coordination with other departments on northern strategy, do you feel that the mechanisms you have in place so far are getting the results you want? Often we talk about silos and the environment ministry, from time to time, has been concerned with regard to getting information. This is the defence committee, but it is dealing with issues such as climate change and related habitat issues.

Do you feel you are getting that, and if so, can you illustrate?

3:50 p.m.

Director General, Northern Strategic Priorities, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Danielle Labonté

Yes, I feel that we have fairly effective mechanisms. The deputy ministers committee meets every couple of months, and below that we have two ADM-level committees. One looks at the northern strategy writ large, and another one looks more at science issues and preparations for the research station.

That is essentially the dry run for what gets taken to the deputy ministers committee. We try to have various categories of issues, so one set does implementation. Every meeting we try to highlight one or two issues and see how things are progressing to make sure that those things the government has already committed to are actually progressing along the timeline that is expected by the government.

The other set of issues is really forward-looking, because the strategy is evergreen and we hope it will go on for some years. And we haven't done everything. We haven't populated all the pillars to the same extent, and so there are still some gaps. So this deputy ministers committee, with the support of the ADMs, is looking really at what the gaps are and what the possible policy solutions are that, should the window open, we would want to bring to the government.

As well, in support of the ADM-level committees, we've set up a number of ad hoc working groups to deal with specific issues. For instance, shipping and transportation would include three or four departments. We've inserted people from my team onto each of those groups so that we can maintain an overall eye on the collective business, and also to ensure some sort of systematic or consistent alignment with the strategy itself.

The feedback we've been getting from other departments has been very positive. People feel it's an inclusive approach, that it's a fairly light approach. I don't have tonnes of people tracking things. We're a fairly nimble team and we have to depend on the other departments, and so we have to work really closely in partnership.

We're very proud that last year we actually got a very strong assessment from the Treasury Board on our management accountability framework, the horizontal management for the northern strategy. We are seen as an example of strong coordination, so we're pretty happy. We think it's working well.

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

Bryon Wilfert Liberal Richmond Hill, ON

That's one thing we don't hear very often.

In terms of these working groups and the ADMs, if you do not reach the benchmarks that are established, how do you follow up to ensure these benchmarks are realistic, and if they are not met, what do you do?

3:55 p.m.

Director General, Northern Strategic Priorities, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Danielle Labonté

The issue of benchmarks is a bit of a challenging one. We're continuously refining every piece of the agenda, I would say, and trying to take stock of current events. Things do change and the objectives aren't necessarily fixed in time. For instance, with the economic downturn, we've had to take stock of some of the outstanding policy gaps and reassess where we would like to go in light of new circumstances to reduce some fiscal funds as well.

There is constant reassessment and refining, but we work really closely with central agencies as well. We actually help our colleagues in other departments make sure they get the window with the central agencies, and a lot of the central agencies rely on us to get our advice on whether things are ready, whether they are moving at the right pace. So together we keep people's feet to the fire and we also make sure, through the northern strategy lens and the privileged position in which it puts us with PCO and others, that we're able to move things forward with our colleagues.

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

Bryon Wilfert Liberal Richmond Hill, ON

I know you're in contact with other countries in terms of their departments, sharing information. Is there one policy or one instrument you do not currently have that we should be looking at as a committee, in terms of the overall approach to this very important subject?

3:55 p.m.

Director General, Northern Strategic Priorities, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Danielle Labonté

Off the top of my head, I can't identify one.

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

Bryon Wilfert Liberal Richmond Hill, ON

If it comes to the top of your head, could you supply that in writing later on? We'd appreciate that.

3:55 p.m.

Director General, Northern Strategic Priorities, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Danielle Labonté

Yes. Unless you have some.... Thank you.