Evidence of meeting #44 for Natural Resources in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was clause.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Mrs. Carol Chafe
Wayne Cole  Procedural Clerk
Dave McCauley  Director, Uranium and Radioactive Waste Division, Electricity Resources Branch, Department of Natural Resources
Jacques Hénault  Analyst, Nuclear Liability and Emergency Preparedness, Department of Natural Resources
Brenda MacKenzie  Senior Legislative Counsel, Advisory and Development Services Section, Department of Justice

4:15 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

It's okay.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Go ahead, Mr. Cullen.

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NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

For us, if I understand Madame Brunelle's question correctly, there's a notion around any changes in the CPI, the consumer price index for Canada, and paragraph (b) is trying to understand...as we've heard from witnesses around the nuclear liability limit in other jurisdictions, there has been confusion and different numbers have been quoted to the committee as to what other countries hold. This is trying to say that that liability limit should be part of what we understand is happening when we set our own limits for our industry, essentially.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Okay. Is it understood now what's being proposed here?

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Bloc

Paule Brunelle Bloc Trois-Rivières, QC

I understand.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Any further...? Mr. Regan, go ahead.

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Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

When you look at the last part of this subclause (b), which says “under international agreements respecting nuclear liability”, that would now apply to the words “and nuclear liability limits in other countries”. I guess I want to make sure Mr. Anderson hears this. It would say “and nuclear liability limits in other countries under international agreements respecting nuclear liability”.

4:15 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

No, no, the word “and” is in there.

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Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

But the point is this. Isn't it right after “requirements”, or is it at the end of paragraph (b)? Is it after the word “liability”? I thought it was inserted after the word “requirements”.

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NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Yes, “and nuclear liability limits in other countries and under”—

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Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

Oh, “and under”. I didn't get that “and”. Sorry.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Thank you.

Madame Brunelle.

4:15 p.m.

Bloc

Paule Brunelle Bloc Trois-Rivières, QC

Could you please reread paragraph (b), as it has just been amended?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Okay. I'll read it:

financial security and nuclear liability limits in other countries and under international agreements

Or is it “in”?

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Conservative

Mike Allen Conservative Tobique—Mactaquac, NB

It's “and under international”—

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Respecting nuclear liability.

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Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

You left out the word “requirements”, Mr. Chairman. Did you want to try that again? I think you left out the word “requirements”.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Oh no, I had “requirements”. It was after.

Go ahead.

December 2nd, 2009 / 4:15 p.m.

Wayne Cole Procedural Clerk

Just to be sure, for the report, it would be:

financial security requirements and nuclear liability limits in other countries and under international agreements respecting nuclear liability; and

4:20 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

That's the intention, Chair.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

You've all heard the amendment proposed. Is it agreed?

(Amendment agreed to)

Okay, paragraph 22(2)(b) has been amended.

Yes, Mr. Anderson.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

David Anderson Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

I would suggest we set aside clause 22 and go on to the clauses that do not have amendments on them, with the caveats Mr. Cullen mentioned.

(Clause 22 allowed to stand)

(Clauses 18 and 19 agreed to)

(On clause 20—Damage to means of transport)

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Mr. Cullen.

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NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

I have a question to our witnesses about clause 20. Clause 20 deals with a nuclear accident that happens during the transportation of radioactive material. The question is around whether there is any consideration given to who is transporting the material. If it's the actual provider—the industry itself—doing the transportation, does it affect clause 20 at all?

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Mr. McCauley, go ahead.