Evidence of meeting #32 for Natural Resources in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was energy.
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
—that when you say you are ruling that a particular person can speak, and when that ruling is challenged but your ruling is sustained, it means that the person who you said could speak in the context of that ruling gets to speak.
On that basis, I should have the floor. You ruled that I had the floor—
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Liberal
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
—that ruling was challenged, and then after that, another member challenged, so—
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Liberal
Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I want to say that we were in the middle of a vote. There has been a request for it to be a roll call vote, and I would ask that we begin the roll call, please.
12:55 p.m.
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Mr. Chair, we had a previous vote. You have to respect the rules of this House, and you are flagrantly disregarding the rules and flagrantly disregarding the privileges of members.
I would like to be able to show deference and respect for your office, but the least you can do is consult the clerk and allow the clerk to advise the committee with respect to the rules and how they apply in this case, which you haven't done either.
12:55 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal John Aldag
We have a hard stop at one o'clock today. We have been told that we cannot go beyond one o'clock, so we're not going to be able to resolve all matters.
You want us to go back, so I'm going to have to go back with the clerk. I will take that review with the clerk. We're not going to get it done in two minutes, as far as the speaking order goes.
Right now we have a motion to adjourn debate, and we need to dispense with that. I've asked the clerk to do a roll call on that. Then we're going to be out of time. We're going to be either suspending the meeting or ending the meeting.
12:55 p.m.
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
That motion's not on the floor, because I'm supposed to have the floor, though, Mr. Chair. This is the whole issue. The committee voted—
12:55 p.m.
Liberal
Francesco Sorbara Liberal Vaughan—Woodbridge, ON
As a point of order, Garnett, you don't have the floor. There was a vote and a ruling made. You do not have the floor. I had the floor—
12:55 p.m.
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
You can't just proceed with the vote on something else when that member didn't have the floor. The vote was to sustain the chair, and the chair had ruled that I had the floor—
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Liberal
Francesco Sorbara Liberal Vaughan—Woodbridge, ON
This was to sustain the chair's prior decision that was already voted on—
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
It was to sustain the chair's decision, and the chair's decision was that I have the floor.
I don't know why this is complicated. If the chair says that I have the floor, and then you challenge the chair and there's a vote on that challenge and the vote is to sustain the chair, then I have the floor again. It's very simple.
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Liberal
Francesco Sorbara Liberal Vaughan—Woodbridge, ON
We were voting on the vote we had to sustain that vote. It's your interpretation, your world, that is wrong.
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
I don't understand why you're confusing it around. These are the rules. I didn't make the rules. The rules are clearly established.
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Liberal
Francesco Sorbara Liberal Vaughan—Woodbridge, ON
You just like to interpret the rules the way you want them to be interpreted.
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
When there's a motion to sustain the chair, the chair's ruling is sustained. That's how it works.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal John Aldag
We'll have one person talking at a time.
Mr. Genuis, I'm asking you to stop talking.
In consultation with the clerk, where we're at is we have a motion on the floor to adjourn debate. There are other questions and obviously some confusion about speaking order. I will go back, with the clerk, to the record. I think I was clear on what was being voted on. There has obviously been some lack of clarity or confusion based on, frankly, the chaos that people have created by not respecting my role as the chair when I ask people to mute their mikes and not doing so.
We're out of time. We're at one o'clock. The speaking order is, at this point, for today, irrelevant. We will go through to figure out what happened, and I'm happy to bring that back, but for the moment, we have the motion to adjourn debate and we'll do a recorded vote on that. At that point, we are then out of time and we'll adjourn the meeting for today.
If everybody is clear with that, we'll get the clerk to call the vote on the motion to adjourn debate, and then we will be finishing today's meeting with apologies to the witnesses for not being able to get any further into the witness testimony today.
We will call the vote on the question to adjourn debate.
(Motion agreed to: yeas 11; nays 0)
With that, we are now adjourned.