Evidence of meeting #62 for Public Accounts in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was contract.
A recording is available from Parliament.
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Conservative
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Conservative
Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB
It was a four-year night course, a part-time night course kind of thing. Okay.
Mr. Koziol, how did you come to know Mr. Brazeau?
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As an Individual
As I mentioned, I knew him when I was working at Public Works in the mid-1990s.
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Conservative
Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB
Okay. You went to him to solve a problem. You wanted to bring Mr. Onischuk on board on a more permanent basis, and you went to Mr. Brazeau to solve this problem for you.
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Conservative
Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB
Who directed you? Who told you Mr. Brazeau could solve this for you?
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As an Individual
It was prior to the lunch meeting that was brought up before. One of the other CAC consultants introduced us.
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Conservative
Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB
Who is “we”? “We” really enjoyed our lunch with you. Who is “we”?
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Conservative
Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB
Okay. You went for lunch.
You solved this problem with Mr. Onischuk in May 2002. In June 2002, it looks like Mr. Onischuk actually got you a job or a contract one month later, with Mr. Brazeau as well. How did that work?
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As an Individual
Well, he didn't get me a contract. He wrote the statement of work for that position, yes.
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Conservative
Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB
He wrote the statement of work, and he put the preferred candidate as being Mr. Anthony Koziol of Anthony Koziol and Associates. One month after you helped him, using Mr. Brazeau, he in turn helped you get a contract.
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Conservative
Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB
It's pretty convenient, at $975 Canadian a day.
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As an Individual
Yes, that was the rate.
We were very careful to write those statements of work away from each other.
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Conservative
Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB
Now, you indicated that CAC was preparing the criteria and, more specifically, “he believed”--you; this is what it says in the KPMG report--“that Mr. Brazeau was doing this”.
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As an Individual
CAC was, and my understanding was that Mr. Brazeau was doing the evaluation criteria, but I now understand that somebody within the organization was doing it. We did not do the evaluation criteria at NCPC.
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Conservative
Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB
But it seems you felt pretty confident that when you went to Mr. Brazeau, the problem was going to get solved, and it seems that 100% of the time it pretty much did. Why did you feel so confident to go specifically to Mr. Brazeau to solve the problem with Mr. Onischuk?
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As an Individual
It was specifically to Mr. Brazeau because we had developed this business relationship, that CAC was providing the services.
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Conservative
Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB
What was his role in convincing you? He was a salesman, I guess, at the time. What did he say to you to convince you that he could solve your problem, personally?