Evidence of meeting #62 for Public Accounts in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was contract.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Brian Glicksman  Treasury Officer of Accounts, United Kingdom (Retired), As an Individual
Kim Casey  As an Individual
Pat Casey  As an Individual
Dominic Crupi  As an Individual
Frank Brazeau  As an Individual
François Guimont  Deputy Minister, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Shahid Minto  Chief Risk Officer, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Anthony Koziol  As an Individual
Superintendent Fraser Macaulay  Chief Superintendent, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Jeff Molson  As an Individual

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Liberal

Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

Could you provide us with a list of those people?

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As an Individual

Kim Casey

I could provide one. I don't have one here with me.

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Liberal

Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

I'd appreciate it if you would provide such a list and table it with the committee.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Ms. Casey, could you give that information, within 10 days, to the clerk of the committee, please?

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As an Individual

Dominic Crupi

Can I make a very quick statement?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Is it on this particular issue?

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As an Individual

Dominic Crupi

Yes, because I think the member asked me if I took hockey tickets. I had said that before--and I didn't know it was inappropriate. When I was told it was inappropriate, I stopped taking hockey tickets, and that would have been when Treasury Board came out.

So I think that's important to note.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Thank you very much, Mr. Crupi.

Mr. Wrzesnewskyj.

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Liberal

Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

Mr. Brazeau, were you ever the beneficiary of hockey tickets, or any--

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As an Individual

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Liberal

Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

Okay, thank you.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

You should ask if anyone has tickets for tonight's game.

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Voices

Oh, oh.

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Liberal

Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

I think Treasury Board rules are clear now. I would have thought that everyone understood the ethical difficulties of accepting those sorts of benefits in the past, including ethical difficulties of having someone who is under your authority doing contracting work to build a barn for you and--

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As an Individual

Dominic Crupi

He did not build a barn for me, sir.

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Liberal

Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

Mr. Crupi, I'm sorry, I haven't asked you a question yet.

There seem to be a number of ethical challenges that you've had. Regarding the individual who received promotions twice, did you have input in making sure Mr. Roy got two promotions?

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As an Individual

Dominic Crupi

They went through a normal staffing process. I had input as a member on a committee, but staffing, who sat in on those committees, would give the letters of offer and promote people. I did not.

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Liberal

Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

So you had input. Thank you.

On a point of order, even though I'm the one questioning, I notice that Mr. Molson's chair is still empty, Chair. He is here. Could we perhaps bring him to the front and have him sworn in and have that taken off my time?

June 4th, 2007 / 4:35 p.m.

Jeff Molson As an Individual

I, Jeff Molson, do swear that the evidence I shall give under this examination shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me God.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Go ahead, Mr. Wrzesnewskyj.

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Liberal

Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

Thank you.

In February 2006, six months after the conclusion of the criminal investigation into the NCPC wrongdoings, under the direction of Ms. Rosalie Burton there was a request for proposals posted on MERX for a consulting contract to carry out “evaluation of the pension administration outsourcing project”.

Mr. Casey, you were one of the 22 bidders. Were you successful in winning this contract?

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As an Individual

Pat Casey

I'm sorry, what was the date on that one?

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Liberal

Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

It was February 2006.

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As an Individual

Pat Casey

An RFP...?

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Liberal

Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

You're stalling once again.

Yes, it was for evaluation of the pension administration outsourcing project, Mr. Casey. In February 2006, did you receive a contract? You were one of 22 bidders.