Not very well at all.
Evidence of meeting #62 for Public Accounts in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was contract.
A recording is available from Parliament.
Evidence of meeting #62 for Public Accounts in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was contract.
A recording is available from Parliament.
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Conservative
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Conservative
John Williams Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB
I just want to get an answer to the question.
You had lunch together. How well did you know him?
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As an Individual
Mr. Brazeau approached me prior to that lunch to describe the CAC contracting services, and we suggested that we would meet with Mr. Crupi and discuss the CAC services.
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Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Brian Fitzpatrick
Mr. Williams, you're out of order. It's Mr. Roy's turn.
June 4th, 2007 / 5:05 p.m.
Bloc
Jean-Yves Roy Bloc Haute-Gaspésie—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
I would like to come back to Ms. Casey.
Ms. Casey, do you remember the date Staff Sergeant Frizzell asked to meet with you?
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As an Individual
No, I don't. There were several telephone calls he had put forth to us.
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Bloc
Jean-Yves Roy Bloc Haute-Gaspésie—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC
I would like to have an approximate idea of when Staff Sergeant Frizzell asked to meet with you.
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As an Individual
I think it would have been early in 2005. It was after I had left the RCMP in 2004.
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Bloc
Jean-Yves Roy Bloc Haute-Gaspésie—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC
Who informed you that Staff Sergeant Frizzell had met with IBM the previous week and that IBM had a lawyer?
You said in your statement that you wanted to have a legal advisor because you were informed that there had been a meeting the previous week with people from IBM and that they had been entitled to legal counsel. Who told you this?
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As an Individual
One of the IBM consultants had called me because they were asking questions of both Casey and IBM. They asked me if they were permitted to speak on behalf of Casey Computing Solutions. Their lawyer had asked that question. That's how I knew.
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Bloc
Jean-Yves Roy Bloc Haute-Gaspésie—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC
Their lawyer had asked that question. What was your reason for wanting to have a lawyer present? It certainly was not because IBM had had one.
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Conservative
John Williams Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB
I don't think it's appropriate to ask why somebody wanted to be accompanied by legal counsel.
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Bloc
Jean-Yves Roy Bloc Haute-Gaspésie—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC
Perhaps. However, you stated that you wanted to have a lawyer present because IBM had had one. I am not asking you why; I simply wish to know if that was the only reason.
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As an Individual
No, I did not say that it was because IBM had legal counsel. I had said that when I requested--
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Bloc
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As an Individual
When I requested to have legal counsel, I was told that I couldn't, that I could be charged with obstruction of justice. It was then that I said that it was my understanding that IBM had had legal counsel, so why couldn't I? I had requested legal counsel to be present.
Do I need to answer why?
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy
You've taken that far enough. You should move on, Monsieur Roy. She was entitled to have legal counsel. She doesn't have to explain it.
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Bloc
Jean-Yves Roy Bloc Haute-Gaspésie—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC
I am in complete agreement, Mr. Chairman. I wished to have her confirm what she stated. I had understood that her one and only reason for wanting to have legal counsel was that IBM had had legal counsel and that IBM had been in touch with them regarding that very matter.
I would also like Ms. Casey to tell me if anyone else informed her that Staff Sergeant Frizzell was investigating the case. Was there anyone else who had told you previously about Staff Sergeant Frizzell's investigation?
5:10 p.m.
As an Individual
No, I knew he was working on the case because he had contacted us and told us that he was working on the case.