Evidence of meeting #62 for Public Accounts in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was contract.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Brian Glicksman  Treasury Officer of Accounts, United Kingdom (Retired), As an Individual
Kim Casey  As an Individual
Pat Casey  As an Individual
Dominic Crupi  As an Individual
Frank Brazeau  As an Individual
François Guimont  Deputy Minister, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Shahid Minto  Chief Risk Officer, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Anthony Koziol  As an Individual
Superintendent Fraser Macaulay  Chief Superintendent, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Jeff Molson  As an Individual

4:35 p.m.

As an Individual

Pat Casey

In February 2006?

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Liberal

Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

Yes. You've heard that three times now.

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As an Individual

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Liberal

Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

Were you involved with any other contract at this time?

4:40 p.m.

As an Individual

Pat Casey

I believe I was at CRA on contract.

4:40 p.m.

Liberal

Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

Were you involved with any other contracts with the RCMP, or was your company, Casey Computing? Were you involved with any contracts with the RCMP through the fall of last year into January of this year?

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As an Individual

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Liberal

Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

Would you explain what that would have been?

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As an Individual

Kim Casey

It's not February 2006; I think that's where the confusion is coming in. I started on a contract with RCMP and I was the individual who was on contract from September 2005 until just this past January 2007.

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Liberal

Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

What was the value of that contract?

4:40 p.m.

As an Individual

Kim Casey

It was a contract that had three years in it. There was a year, and an option year, and another option year. The total value, although we didn't use the total value, was $500,000.

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Liberal

Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

It was an evaluation of pension administration outsourcing projects?

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As an Individual

Kim Casey

No, it was not.

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Liberal

Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

What did it entail?

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As an Individual

Kim Casey

It was senior project manager for re-engineering of business process modelling.

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Liberal

Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

Okay, thank you.

Perhaps I'll pass on to Ms. Sgro and then I'll continue.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

You have two minutes, Ms. Sgro.

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Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal York West, ON

Mr. Crupi, you indicated in your opening statement that your training was in payroll systems. How is it that you ended up being involved in signing off on procurement in a variety of these contracts?

4:40 p.m.

As an Individual

Dominic Crupi

I never signed off procurement contracts. I was the person responsible for the.... Persons wrote statements of work. I read the statements of work. They seemed like valid pieces of work to be done. I would sign off that, yes, that was a good piece of work to be done.

The procurement pieces were signed off by procurement in the RCMP and CAC. All I was reading was the actual work to be performed, which was payroll or pension-type work. That's all I would certify--that, yes, that was valid work.

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Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal York West, ON

What kind of training did you have to do that?

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As an Individual

Dominic Crupi

I had 25 years at Public Works.

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Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal York West, ON

In the whole issue of doing the evaluation and your involvement with several of them, did you have a previous relationship with the Caseys?

4:40 p.m.

As an Individual

Dominic Crupi

I evaluated nothing from CAC. CAC did all the evaluations. The only time I did an evaluation was on the original standing offer, when there were about seven or eight of us who evaluated bidders who were put on a list of qualified bidders.

4:40 p.m.

Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal York West, ON

But you had a relationship with several of those contractors prior to their actually bidding on contracts.

4:40 p.m.

As an Individual

Dominic Crupi

I had a relationship with probably 50 or 60 contractors over 25 years. So if Mercer's had applied or Watson Wyatt had applied or KPMG had applied or IBM had applied, I could answer yes to that question--relationships meaning work relationships—yes, ma'am.