Evidence of meeting #29 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 40th Parliament, 3rd session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

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Wayne Cole  Procedural Clerk
Simon Dubé  Director, Portfolio Management, Crown Corporation Governance, Department of Transport
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Bonnie Charron

Bonnie Crombie Liberal Mississauga—Streetsville, ON

--“are defined as”--

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11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

Sure, “are defined as”. Great proposal.

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Bonnie Crombie Liberal Mississauga—Streetsville, ON

But, Mr. Chairman, as things evolve, do we not want to include new media that may evolve?

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11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

If we have a clause in there that brings us back to Parliament every 10 years--that was your proposal--I would imagine at the same time they would look at the definition to see whether or not it's too restrictive to modernize it again.

The difficulty is, as I said, we don't want people shipping chairs through the mail.

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Bonnie Crombie Liberal Mississauga—Streetsville, ON

Well, no, I think we're limiting ourselves to media materials, and I think we all understand that--not chairs. But certainly within the past 10 years we were listening to eight-tracks as well, so things have really evolved.

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Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

I wasn't.

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Bonnie Crombie Liberal Mississauga—Streetsville, ON

Some of us were.

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Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

You should have.

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Bonnie Crombie Liberal Mississauga—Streetsville, ON

What's the lifespan on a laptop these days? It's about six months.

Perhaps we need a review in less than 10 years in that case. I'd like to see it a little more open-ended than you're suggesting, because media do evolve very rapidly.

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11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

As long as it's “other similar materials”. That's for sure. I have no difficulty with that, just as long as it's not--

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Bonnie Crombie Liberal Mississauga—Streetsville, ON

Right, those kinds of words, so that the intent is--

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11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

Exactly.

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The Vice-Chair Liberal John McCallum

Monsieur Guimond.

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Michel Guimond Bloc Montmorency—Charlevoix—Haute-Côte-Nord, QC

As Mr. Bevington mentioned, the English definition of “library materials” needs to be revisited. In French, it says “documents de bibliothèque”. It is clear that a “document de bibliothèque” does not refer to a table, a chair or a cat that might be one town's library mascot and that they might want to give to another town. Let's say that the cat is the library mascot for a town in the Charlevoix region that is paired up with a town in British Columbia and that the town in the Charlevoix region decides to give its cat to the library in B.C.

In French, it is clear that it is not a “document de bibliothèque”, but is it included in the term “library materials”? I want to respond to Mr. Jean, who is afraid that it might refer to a table or a chair. In French, it is clear that it does not. We know it is not a “document de bibliothèque”.

You may want to rework the definition of “library materials”.

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The Vice-Chair Liberal John McCallum

Having listened to all this, I think there might be a consensus on an English version. Perhaps I could read out a suggestion, that we say:

“library materials” are defined as

instead of “means”, and then it goes the same as before:

books, magazines, records, CDs, CD-ROMs, audiocassettes, videocassettes, DVDs and other similar library materials;

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11:25 a.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

That's perfect.

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Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

So it's “materials” or “documents”? Is the last word “materials”?

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11:25 a.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

It's “materials”. A CD is not a document.

That's perfect.

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The Vice-Chair Liberal John McCallum

Is that all right?

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11:25 a.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

Absolutely.

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Bonnie Crombie Liberal Mississauga—Streetsville, ON

Did you include audio-visual?

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11:25 a.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

Yes, he did.

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The Vice-Chair Liberal John McCallum

We have to get the French, though.

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Michel Guimond Bloc Montmorency—Charlevoix—Haute-Côte-Nord, QC

You're right.

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Bonnie Crombie Liberal Mississauga—Streetsville, ON

That's right. They didn't jive.

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