Evidence of meeting #16 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was lauzon.
A recording is available from Parliament.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke
I would like to get the motion passed before giving you the floor.
We'll go to a vote on the motion as amended, colleagues.
Mr. Clerk.
Conservative
Dan Albas Conservative Okanagan Lake West—South Kelowna, BC
Mr. Chair, could you just clarify what the motion was again?
November 25th, 2025 / 9:50 a.m.
Conservative
Dan Albas Conservative Okanagan Lake West—South Kelowna, BC
No. Didn't Monsieur Barsalou-Duval have a...?
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke
He has a separate motion, sir. We're dispensing of the motion as amended.
Conservative
Dan Albas Conservative Okanagan Lake West—South Kelowna, BC
Okay. Thank you very much. I just wanted to make sure we didn't miss him, because I hate it when members get missed.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke
I fully understand, Mr. Albas. I will make sure that Mr. Barsalou-Duval has the floor following this vote.
Mr. Clerk, I'll turn it over to you for a recorded division, sir.
(Motion as amended agreed to: yeas 9; nays 0)
Good job, colleagues. I will point out that it was unanimous.
There was some good work behind the scenes to get that done, and I want to thank all members for their diligence in achieving this.
I'll turn it over to Mr. Barsalou-Duval.
Mr. Barsalou‑Duval, you had another motion to move.
Bloc
Xavier Barsalou-Duval Bloc Pierre-Boucher—Les Patriotes—Verchères, QC
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
My motion concerns the committee's vote on a request that all groups appearing for the study on truck drivers give the committee the list of their members. To date, all the associations appearing before the committee have provided their list of members, with the exception of one, the Canada Truck Operators Association.
The motion seeks to reiterate our desire to obtain the list of members of this association. I'll read the motion:
That the Standing Committee on Transport, Infrastructure and Communities order the Canada Truck Operators Association to demonstrate transparency and good faith by providing the committee, within 15 days following the adoption of this motion, with a complete and up‑to‑date list of its official representatives and donor members, as have all other organizations that have appeared before the committee as part of the study of the changing landscape of truck drivers in Canada.
If people are interested in debating the motion, I would like to comment on it too. I would like to be part of the speaking round if people wish to comment. However, if everyone would like to adopt the motion as it stands, I wouldn't necessarily need to say anything more about it.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke
Thank you, Mr. Barsalou‑Duval.
Colleagues, it sounds straightforward, but I think there are a couple of things we need to discuss. I'll suspend for a couple of minutes as we distribute that, and we will reconvene at the call of the chair.
The meeting is suspended.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke
I call the meeting back to order.
Colleagues, I'll turn the floor over to Mr. Albas to get us started.
Conservative
Dan Albas Conservative Okanagan Lake West—South Kelowna, BC
I want to mention briefly that with the rationale given that some people are not comfortable sharing their information.... It could be that there's just a wariness about sharing personal information with a parliamentary versus a governmental source. This is a real thing. Conservatives believe we should judge by the testimony and the merits brought to the conversation. Regardless of whether the list is verified with personal information...we don't think that is germane to the situation.
Thank you.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke
Thank you very much, Mr. Albas.
Colleagues, you've all received the motion. Is there any further debate?
Mr. Lauzon.
Liberal
Stéphane Lauzon Liberal Argenteuil—La Petite-Nation, QC
I just reread the motion. We agreed to recommend that the organization provide the documents. I reread the motion twice, and the French version states that the association must “demonstrate transparency and good faith by providing the committee”. It's as if there were an obligation to provide documents within 15 days of the adoption of this motion.
Behind the scenes, I understood that we wanted to invite the organization to provide the documents, specifically a complete and up‑to‑date list of its official representatives. However, that isn't what this motion says.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke
Thank you, Mr. Lauzon.
Mr. Barsalou‑Duval, you raised your hand. You have the floor.
Bloc
Xavier Barsalou-Duval Bloc Pierre-Boucher—Les Patriotes—Verchères, QC
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Earlier, I read to the committee a motion stating that the committee “order” the organization to submit its list of members. The motion sent to the clerk stated that the committee should submit a “request” to the organization. A request isn't as strong as an order. I gathered that this was an acceptable compromise for the committee.
I must inform everyone around the table that I would have preferred “order”. This term gives us much more strength and certainty. However, I want to work with everyone.
I would also like to add that, if this group fails to comply with the committee's request should the motion be adopted, I plan to move a motion to report this to the House. I think that it would be an unacceptable affront to the committee members if a single organization decides not to submit its list of members. A single organization, whose disruptive and disturbing impact we have observed, chooses not to demonstrate the necessary transparency that everyone else shows. In this situation, one organization is advocating for a model deemed unacceptable by almost all the witnesses who appeared before the committee. The members of this organization don't even dare to speak on their own behalf. When all these people came to the committee to speak on behalf of this organization, and when we saw all these people doing the same thing in the public arena and in the media, they were never active members of this organization. I have serious doubts about the legitimacy of this type of organization.
I have many other things to say. However, above all, I hope that we can reach a reasonable compromise that will satisfy everyone. If the committee members have more to say on the topic, I'm ready to speak more as well.
Liberal
Liberal
Stéphane Lauzon Liberal Argenteuil—La Petite-Nation, QC
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I understand my colleague's explanations.
I don't have any issue with wanting the Canada Truck Operators Association to demonstrate transparency and good faith by providing the documents to the committee. We could write “by recommending that the organization provide the documents to the committee, within 15 days following the adoption of the motion”. We already made this request and the organization already responded to the committee. It may not be the desired response, so I'm prepared to invite them again to respond to us transparently and in good faith.
Your explanations helped me understand things a bit. The motion more or less repeats what we asked for, but the organization failed to provide the list. If we ask them again, we might receive an answer this time. After reading and rereading the motion, I agree with moving in this direction. You gave good explanations, Mr. Barsalou‑Duval.
I'll need to discuss this with my colleagues, but I'm prepared to agree to the motion.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke
Thank you, Mr. Lauzon.
It looks as though we're all on the same page, colleagues, so we'll go to a vote on the motion put forward by Mr. Barsalou-Duval.
Mr. Clerk, we'll have a recorded division, please.
(Motion as amended agreed to: yeas 5, nays 0 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
With that, colleagues, I want to mention three quick things, if I may.
The first thing I would like to highlight is the birthday of Ms. Nguyen's mother, who's turning 75.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke
Happy birthday to you, Kim, on behalf of all members of our committee.
Second, in addition to Alexandre's birthday yesterday, his son Wallace is turning eight tomorrow.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke
Happy birthday to you, Wallace.
Colleagues, I just want to say thank you for your hard work over this past session. It was a lot of hard work that we did. We got to a good place at the end and that's what counts. I want to thank you for that, and I look forward to working with you in the new year.
Finally, I want to say for those of you celebrating, Happy Hanukkah and Merry Christmas as well. I wish you all the best in the new year.
With that, the meeting is adjourned.