House of Commons Hansard #80 of the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was consultations.

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Preventing Coercion of Persons Not Seeking Medical Assistance in Dying Act First reading of Bill C-260. The bill aims to prevent government bureaucrats from coercing individuals not seeking medical assistance in dying into medically facilitated deaths, particularly when accessing unrelated government services. 200 words.

Opposition Motion—Apology to Those Whose Land Was Expropriated in Mirabel Members debate a motion to apologize to those whose land was expropriated in Mirabel for airport construction in 1969, acknowledge the collective trauma caused, and commit to avoiding future expropriations without public consultation, social license, and appropriate compensation. The Bloc Québécois emphasizes the historical injustice and lack of apology, while Liberals acknowledge past mistakes but focus on the high-speed rail project and current robust expropriation laws. 48800 words, 6 hours in 2 segments: 1 2.

Statements by Members

Question Period

The Conservatives criticize the Liberal government's handling of the economy, highlighting record-high food inflation (worst in the G7) and a collapsing housing market. They condemn inflationary taxes like the industrial carbon tax and express concern over falling auto production and subsidies for American EVs. They also call out the failed Cúram IT system and inadequate immigration policies.
The Liberals urge support for their 2025 budget, accusing the opposition of obstruction. They showcase their Canada auto strategy with major EV investments and the new Build Canada Homes Act for affordable housing. The party highlights affordability measures like the groceries and essentials benefit, and address issues with the seniors' benefits system. They also cite infrastructure projects.
The Bloc criticizes the government's Cúram software failures causing OAS payment delays and silencing public servants. They also condemn the Liberals for blocking affordable European electric vehicles and cutting public transit funding despite promoting clean energy.
The NDP highlights the housing crisis in Nunavut and the delayed response to the state of emergency in Cross Lake Pimicikamak.
The Greens criticize the Liberal government's broken promise to not cut foreign aid, urging them to revive the Pearson target.

National Strategy on Housing for Young Canadians Act Second reading of Bill C-227. The bill proposes to establish a national strategy on housing for young Canadians aged 17 to 34. Liberals support it, citing the need for a coordinated national strategy to address the youth housing crisis and enhance existing initiatives like Build Canada Homes. The Bloc Québécois opposes the bill, calling it a "useless empty shell" and advocating for unconditional housing funding transfers to provinces. Conservatives are skeptical, arguing it's "another framework" that won't fix the crisis caused by federal "red tape." 8400 words, 1 hour.

Adjournment Debates

Youth unemployment rate Garnett Genuis raises concerns about high youth unemployment and criticizes the government's plan to defund students at private career colleges. Corey Hogan defends the government's actions, citing a decrease in the youth unemployment rate since the Liberal's election and promotes investments in youth programs.
B.C. natural resource industries Helena Konanz highlights the importance of forestry and mining for her B.C. riding. She criticizes the lack of a softwood lumber agreement with the U.S., and the government's lack of support for flood mitigation. Corey Hogan agrees on the importance of forestry, citing government support and a future vision. He promises to look into the mitigation plan.
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Opposition Motion—Apology to Those Whose Land Was Expropriated in MirabelBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11 a.m.

Liberal

Steven MacKinnon Liberal Gatineau, QC

Mr. Speaker, the Bloc Québécois has a decision to make.

We are not done. We have a plan to propose mechanisms allowing us to increasingly ramp up the development of transportation, infrastructure and energy projects in Canada.

Almost all Quebeckers support this project. All Quebeckers want it to happen. The problem is that they have given up believing in it because the planning process is taking too long. We want to shrink the planning phase from eight years to four years.

The Bloc Québécois has a big decision to make about high-speed rail and its support for Alto.

Opposition Motion—Apology to Those Whose Land Was Expropriated in MirabelBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

February 5th, 2026 / 11 a.m.

Conservative

Ellis Ross Conservative Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Mr. Speaker, in listening to the debate, I heard two different speeches and two prerogatives over the last hour.

It seems to me that the Bloc's motion is simply asking for an apology for expropriation that happened in 1969, in a formal manner, coming from the House and coming from the government. However, the government has not acknowledged the motion. All the government members are talking about is the high-speed rail. I get both sides. They both make sense.

Bringing us back to the motion, I can sympathize with the Bloc because as a first nations member, I, along with my people, experienced the exact trauma that their members have explained.

Could the minister tell us if the government has any intention to actually acknowledge the motion that is on the floor today?

Opposition Motion—Apology to Those Whose Land Was Expropriated in MirabelBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11 a.m.

Liberal

Steven MacKinnon Liberal Gatineau, QC

Mr. Speaker, I cannot, nor can anyone in this House, fix the mistakes that were made in the past, in any project.

We have to do the best we can, and the best we can do today is the process outlined in Bill C-15, the process that Canadians voted for, a process that gets big projects built quickly but respects our history, respects the lessons we have learned and respects the processes we have put in place, including assessing these projects for their impact on communities and on our environment.

Opposition Motion—Apology to Those Whose Land Was Expropriated in MirabelBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11 a.m.

Trois-Rivières Québec

Liberal

Caroline Desrochers LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Housing and Infrastructure

Mr. Speaker, I want to thank my colleague for his leadership and for making sure that the municipalities are engaged.

Despite what the opposition says, I think his speech made it very clear that we do not intend to repeat past mistakes. I can confirm that the people in my riding of Trois-Rivières are eagerly looking forward to this high-speed rail project.

In addition to the spin-offs for cities where the train will stop, the regions and rural communities can expect greater benefits as well.

I would like my colleague to talk to us about that.

Opposition Motion—Apology to Those Whose Land Was Expropriated in MirabelBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11 a.m.

Liberal

Steven MacKinnon Liberal Gatineau, QC

Mr. Speaker, I want to thank my colleague from Trois‑Rivières who, like her predecessor, fully supports this project. We need these non-partisan voices in the House.

The project is going to benefit all regions of Quebec. I listened to my friend from the Lower St. Lawrence earlier. I listened to my friend from Lévis—Lotbinière and my colleague from Trois‑Rivières. We can just imagine the impact that this project will have on a person or a farmer who will be able to board the high-speed train to go to conventions or do business in Quebec City or Montreal. Imagine a student being able to board that train—

Opposition Motion—Apology to Those Whose Land Was Expropriated in MirabelBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:05 a.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker John Nater

The hon. member for Louis‑Saint‑Laurent—Akiawenhrahk.

Opposition Motion—Apology to Those Whose Land Was Expropriated in MirabelBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Gérard Deltell Conservative Louis-Saint-Laurent—Akiawenhrahk, QC

Mr. Speaker, it is with great pleasure and some emotion that I rise to take part in this debate today.

We are debating a very important motion that deals with one of the tragedies in the history of Canada, which has affected and continues to affect hundreds of families and thousands of children and grandchildren of the farmers who were shortchanged. That is why I will be sharing my time with the member for Lévis—Lotbinière, who will provide a clear picture of the situation faced by farmers, as he is a farmer himself.

Mirabel will forever be associated with one of the greatest tragedies in our nation's history. It was the 1960s. In the mid-1960s, there was a baby boom and a tech boom, and Montreal needed a new airport. Certain areas like Vaudreuil, Drummondville, Saint‑Jean and Sainte‑Scholastique were considered. In the end, the federal government chose Sainte‑Scholastique. At that point, the location was a foregone conclusion, but the way it was done and the way it was expanded were completely unacceptable.

It happened on March 27, 1969, at exactly 2:25 p.m., during a press conference being broadcast on the radio. Jean Marchand, the Liberal minister of transport, announced that 97,000 acres would be expropriated. I am not a farmer, so I cannot visualize how big an acre is. However, 97,000 acres is equivalent to two-thirds of the Island of Montreal. For our friends out west, that is as big as the city of Calgary. The government needed to expropriate 97,000 acres. That is 20 times the size of John F. Kennedy Airport, one of the largest airports in the world at the time. A total of 3,126 families were directly affected by the announcement, which came without any prior warning. They were directly affected without any notice. That amounts to 10,000 people. Work began in June 1970.

Yes, the government slapped together some compensation. Yes, the government said it held consultations. The outcome was that barely 17% of farmers met with someone who assessed their land. Everyone else was told that was that, thank you and goodbye. It led to human tragedies. People left their house in the morning and came back in the afternoon to find it burned to the ground. People left in the morning to work the fields and came back to find people swarming around their house, moving their belongings out.

The great Denise Bombardier reported on the situation for Radio-Canada in 1970. This is what one of the people whose land was expropriated had to say: “Of course it worries me, because we were never paid, we don't know how we'll get by. We didn't ask to leave. We were notified on March 27, 1969, and then we just waited. I was hoping things would work out for the best”. Unfortunately, they did not work out for the best.

A committee was set up in 1973, but, unfortunately, Pierre Elliott Trudeau's government ignored the very valid grievances of the people whose properties were expropriated. If only it had been worth it. It was predicted that Mirabel would be serving 60,000 passengers by 2025. No more than two million passengers ever passed through during any year of operation. There was a plan to build high-speed rail, but that never happened. There was a plan to extend Highway 30, but that never happened.

The airport opened for business on October 4, 1975. One of the ridiculous things about Mirabel was that international flights used Mirabel, while all others used Dorval. Awesome. That is the best way to kill an airport. As of September 15, 1997, all flights were transferred to Dorval. The last flight took place in 2014. The terminal was demolished in 2016. What a disaster. It was all for naught. The government expropriated 97,000 acres but used barely 6,000 acres, which is why this is so tragic.

In 1995, the Prime Minister, the Right Hon. Brian Mulroney, offered to return 80,000 acres to those who had been expropriated. It was the first step that needed to be taken, and he did it boldly but, above all, with a sense of responsibility and humanity. The Right Hon. Brian Mulroney did it, and he did it the right way. The debate did not end there. What we are discussing today has been debated in the House before. On November 25, 2004, the official opposition moved a motion to return the remaining 11,000 acres to the expropriated landowners.

Who kicked off that debate? It was the Right Hon. Stephen Harper, the then leader of the Conservative official opposition. Mr. Harper did not have any seats in Quebec at the time, but that is not important. What is important is the reality of the 3,126 families who had been expropriated and dispossessed. In a very important speech, Mr. Harper said that it had been “a savage expropriation”, “a massive injustice, an odious boondoggle”, and that the situation of the farmers had been “difficult, unjust, humiliating and...dramatic, even, at times”. He said that it was “not a matter of politics but rather a matter of goodwill and justice”. Quite appropriately, he said that “all governments can make mistakes from time to time. The problem in this saga is that the government made mistake after mistake, with no consideration whatsoever for the families that have been in the area for generations.” Stephen Harper said that in 2004.

Mr. Harper did more than just talk. When Canadians placed their trust in him by electing a dozen Conservative members from Quebec, for example, including my colleague from Lévis—Lotbinière, the Harper government gave back 11,000 acres. What is interesting is that, during the 2004 debate, the transport minister at the time was the late Jean Lapierre. According to La Presse, Mr. Lapierre accused Stephen Harper of raising false hopes in the public, knowing that he would not be able to follow through on his motion. With all due respect to the memory of Mr. Lapierre, he was mistaken, because that is what happened.

In 2019, the Liberal minister also sold back 750 acres. That was the Hon. Marc Garneau, a man of unquestionable and indisputable integrity and humanity. He said what he truly felt in his heart. He said that the government made a big mistake. He also said, “We learned difficult lessons, and I am sorry you were the victims of that.” That was the great Marc Garneau, whom we love and respect. Unfortunately, he was speaking on his own behalf, not on behalf of the government.

As my Bloc Québécois colleague put it so well earlier, now is the time to do the right thing to commemorate those people and, above all, avoid repeating the same mistakes. Three times in the House in recent years, the government has been asked to apologize to the expropriated people of Mirabel. With the motions from the Bloc Québécois, the NDP and myself, who contributed to this, the government has refused to apologize three times.

We understand that this is a vote of the House. It is not the government itself that is taking action, but the House of Commons. I would remind all the experienced ministers whom I respect and admire that they are, first and foremost, members of Parliament elected by Canadians. That is why each of us here in the House have our responsibilities, but, first and foremost, we are members of Parliament. We have asked for an apology three times; unfortunately, the government has refused three times.

I want to say something, and I will stand by my statements. Is it because the 23rd Prime Minister of Canada had difficulty acknowledging that the 15th Prime Minister of Canada had made a grave mistake? To put it plainly, did Justin Trudeau not want to blame his father? Is that why the government refused to do what needs to be done, which is to apologize? I invite all my colleagues to consider carefully and in good faith what actually happened. They know very well, in their hearts, as Marc Garneau so eloquently pointed out, that the government made a mistake, that it was a big mistake, and that an injustice was committed. That is exactly what the motion before us proposes and calls for.

I heard our colleague say that sometimes we need to stop being partisan and work across party lines. Yes, I agree. This is an excellent opportunity to do so.

This is why I deeply hope that at this time, all members of the House, the government, opposition, second group of opposition and independent members, recognize that what happened to the people of Mirabel was totally unacceptable. If we have to, again, do something with great projects, we should learn and adapt our attitude based on what the people of Mirabel have lived through.

I sincerely invite all my colleagues to recognize the grave mistake that was made in Mirabel and that it should never happen again.

Opposition Motion—Apology to Those Whose Land Was Expropriated in MirabelBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:15 a.m.

Bloc

Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe Bloc Lac-Saint-Jean, QC

Mr. Speaker, I am really pleased to hear my colleague. His speech was genuine and sincere. He made a call, and I support that call. He called on us to work across party lines. There are no stumbling blocks in this motion. I do not see how any member, particularly from Quebec, can vote against it.

I just want to thank my colleague and give him the rest of the time to respond to the following.

How could anyone vote against this motion?

Opposition Motion—Apology to Those Whose Land Was Expropriated in MirabelBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Gérard Deltell Conservative Louis-Saint-Laurent—Akiawenhrahk, QC

Mr. Speaker, God knows that we have some very serious grievances with our Bloc Québécois colleagues, and I understand that the feeling is mutual. I do not understand why they have grievances with us, but I certainly have grievances with them.

The reality is that there are times when we can set partisanship aside because it is a matter of humanity. Yes, these people have suffered terribly; everyone recognizes that. Yes, we need to learn from these mistakes; everyone recognizes that. Yes, we need to apologize for what happened, acknowledge it and act swiftly.

Once again, I invite all my colleagues, whether they are from the government, the opposition or are independents, to act according to their conscience and recognize the tragedies that have befallen the citizens of Mirabel.

Opposition Motion—Apology to Those Whose Land Was Expropriated in MirabelBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Jean-Yves Duclos Liberal Québec Centre, QC

Mr. Speaker, I would like to once again acknowledge the great wisdom, great tact and nuance that my colleague from neighbouring Québec Centre regularly brings to the table.

Given everything he said about the importance of being sensitive to what happened over 50 years ago and supporting those who were affected, I would still like to ask him clearly what he thinks about high-speed rail for Quebec City and for his riding in particular.

Opposition Motion—Apology to Those Whose Land Was Expropriated in MirabelBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Gérard Deltell Conservative Louis-Saint-Laurent—Akiawenhrahk, QC

Mr. Speaker, even though the motion has nothing to do with this, I want to say one thing to the member for Québec Centre, whom I respect and admire. I think it is mutual, because we have always had a good relationship, and all the better. That said, they unfortunately got off on the wrong foot.

Notices of consultation were hurriedly sent out for a process that began two days later. It is as though we learned nothing, especially since Canada as a whole was the site of the most terrible expropriation in our great history. The exact same mistakes that were made 60 years ago are being repeated.

I am being asked what I think of the project. Could we get it on track in the right way?

Opposition Motion—Apology to Those Whose Land Was Expropriated in MirabelBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Tamara Kronis Conservative Nanaimo—Ladysmith, BC

Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague for talking about the expropriation of land in Mirabel in 1969 and about the impact that decision had on people's lives. That is a painful chapter for many families who lost their homes, their land and their jobs.

Looking back, what lessons does the member think we should learn from that? How can these lessons help governments work better with communities in the future?

Opposition Motion—Apology to Those Whose Land Was Expropriated in MirabelBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Gérard Deltell Conservative Louis-Saint-Laurent—Akiawenhrahk, QC

Mr. Speaker, before I respond to the substance of the question, I would just like to commend my colleague for this extraordinary show of bilingualism and for her use of French. I really appreciate it. Everyone stands to gain when we speak both official languages. I do mean both official languages and not just one or the other because, obviously, both are equal, with neither one being above the other.

On the substance, what we need to understand when it comes to how we deal with major projects in the future is that we must always consult people. That is what the motion says. It says that the government needs to avoid expropriations “without public consultation, social licence and appropriate compensation”. That is exactly what the motion says.

Once again, I am appealing to my government friends who know deep down in their hearts, minds and souls that they need to vote in favour of this motion.

They must do so.

Opposition Motion—Apology to Those Whose Land Was Expropriated in MirabelBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:15 a.m.

Bloc

Xavier Barsalou-Duval Bloc Pierre-Boucher—Les Patriotes—Verchères, QC

Mr. Speaker, I will ask my question quickly. My colleague's speech was quite eloquent and very clear.

Despite his compelling arguments, as well as the arguments made by the member before him, the member for Mirabel, it seems that the members opposite are still unconvinced. However, it seems clear to me that the Canadian government should apologize for this.

If the government refuses to apologize, is it not first and foremost because of its political stripes and its pride?

Opposition Motion—Apology to Those Whose Land Was Expropriated in MirabelBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Gérard Deltell Conservative Louis-Saint-Laurent—Akiawenhrahk, QC

Mr. Speaker, let us be very clear. This government has taken some steps backwards and reversed many of Justin Trudeau's decisions. I invite the current Prime Minister to continue on that path. It is one thing to backtrack on the carbon tax. However, recognizing that an apology is in order for the people of Mirabel would make a difference. Indeed, he needs to do what the 23rd prime minister always refused to do.

I call on the Prime Minister to act like a head of state.

Opposition Motion—Apology to Those Whose Land Was Expropriated in MirabelBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lévis—Lotbinière, QC

Mr. Speaker, we do not inherit the earth from our parents. We borrow it from our children. It seems so easy for major project proponents to look at a map and draw a line. However, when that line becomes a route and valuable farmland has to be acquired for a project, we often forget where that land came from and who owns it.

If a person gets their car stolen, they are not going to be in a good mood and they might even get really angry about it, but, at the end of the day, they can buy an identical car with the insurance money. However, when a person's land is stolen, destroyed or divided, it is impossible to repair it.

Many countries were colonized by promising people land. Our ancestors left France, England and various other countries to come here and live the Canadian dream. They came to clear and farm large, fertile expanses of land. Throughout history, people valued owning land and farming it above all else. That makes sense. To feed ourselves properly, we have to harvest the fruits of the earth, which give us grain, fodder and vegetables, which then provide us with meat and consumer goods essential to our survival.

These lands were not created by providence. We have what we see today because of the hard work of generations of farmers. If we drive along Highway 132 or Highway 138, we can see the beautiful farms that are there today. They are there because of the hard work of nine, 10 or 11 generations of farmers who cleared every metre of land by the sweat of their brow in order to survive. This land did not just ensure their survival, but the survival of an entire people, the Quebec nation. There is no asset in the world as precious as this one. This is not something to be taken lightly.

We learned early on in school that, sooner or later, land came into play in every war throughout history. Why proceed arbitrarily?

We understand that there are major projects to be completed in 2026 and that they will require large areas of land. There is no getting around that. However, in order for this to work, the government needs to seek advice from farmers, who may come up with solutions themselves. They may have some clever suggestions. They will suggest routes that may interfere less with their farming operations. We should not just be consulting farmers about their land; we should be working with them.

All things considered, we must be very careful. It is certainly possible to lay pipelines on land by negotiating easement agreements. It is also possible to place power lines on land. That is another easement that farmers accept for the good of society. If they agree, we can cross their land. However, it is more difficult when part of the surface area needs to be taken away. Those are precious hectares and acres that divide the land in two or even three, depending on the provisions of the current land titles.

Do we have any idea how many families will actually be affected by the project being presented by the Liberal government? The land is divided on each side of the St. Lawrence River, perpendicular to it, three arpents wide by thirty arpents long, which is approximately 170 metres wide by 1,700 metres long. That is about six lots per kilometre. According to my calculations, we are talking about 1,950 different lots between Quebec City and the Ontario border. At three lots per farm, this could potentially affect 650 farms or 1,000 farming families. That is a lot of farms considering how many remain in Quebec. There is a good chance that this project will undermine the profitability of these farms, whose acreage value continues to grow.

I would like to take this opportunity to pay tribute to my father and mother, Armand and Rita, who were among the last pioneers to cultivate their own land after clearing it themselves.

I saw my father clearing our land when I was young, and I helped him cultivate it. It required a lot of physical labour. I spent my youth working on my land, picking rocks, building fences; I built them and I even took them down. Imagine what it is like to pick rocks all summer long, in 36-degree heat, to get a few more acres of cropland. However, after all that effort, we were able to enjoy the crops and forages that the land provided.

Taking acreage away from a farm and breaking up access to fields is hard for people to accept, especially when it is done without consultation. That is the worst insult to rightful property owners. Expropriation can feel worse than theft. It can feel like betrayal, like the government betraying its citizens and what they hold most dear. The Mirabel expropriations are the Crown's greatest affront to the francophone Quebec nation, almost on par with the deportation of the Acadians.

I have memories from my youth of the Mirabel expropriations. Thousands of families, entire families, including grandparents, children, grandchildren, were evicted from their homes by police at the behest of the federal Liberal government. Men and women lost their land, their homes, their livelihoods. Today, there are up to 100,000 Quebeckers who are descendants of those whose land was expropriated, all for a project with huge ambitions, and look what came of it.

The Mirabel expropriations are truly a dark chapter in our history. Large-scale projects are necessary, but caution is needed to ensure that they are consistent with the reality of our country and its workers. We must always be wary of ideological projects. People need food, housing and transportation. After those things are covered, there is not much money left for anything else. Do my colleagues want to hear something absurd? Only 2% of the land in Quebec is arable, all of it located on both banks of the St. Lawrence River, and that 2% is already threatened by urban sprawl. I ask myself the following question: Do we really want to build a high-speed train that will take away our land and divide it up, in addition to promoting urban sprawl?

High-speed rail is a bad good idea. Are Canada's public transportation systems, such as trains, buses, and planes, really operating at capacity? The question hardly bears asking. If our country really wants to invest between $200 billion and $500 billion in major projects, I have two good ideas. First, in the manufacturing sector, we could work to become more competitive with other countries in the global market and bring back well-paying jobs in the age of artificial intelligence. Second, we could develop our minerals and mines. The Right Hon. Stephen Harper, the former prime minister with whom I had the honour of working, said that rare minerals are a way forward for Canada. Canada should put all its eggs in this big natural resources basket.

In conclusion, my attachment to the land comes from my farming DNA, from my great-grandfather Octave, who settled in my hometown, and from my grandfather Napoléon, who spent his entire life clearing land alongside my father Armand, who was passionate about the land. Now I am the steward of that land, which I am passing on to my son Jérémie so that he can cultivate it in turn, while watching his own son, Octave, take his first steps on the land of his ancestors.

We do not inherit the land from our parents. We borrow it from our children.

Opposition Motion—Apology to Those Whose Land Was Expropriated in MirabelBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:30 a.m.

Bloc

Luc Thériault Bloc Montcalm, QC

Mr. Speaker, the member moved me. He gave a moving speech, with an accurate assessment of the reality facing our farmers. Members will recall that, during the pandemic and toward the end of it, there was talk of food security and how important it is to be self-sufficient. We are faced with a bill, Bill C-15, that gives absolute powers.

In his speech, the member said that people lost their land and their homes. I would add that their physical and psychological integrity were harmed. There is no willingness to apologize on the other side of the House. Why does my colleague think that is?

Opposition Motion—Apology to Those Whose Land Was Expropriated in MirabelBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lévis—Lotbinière, QC

Mr. Speaker, these kinds of questions make me very emotional.

Nothing is more precious to a farm family than the land. That land is the fruit of generations of work: nine, 10, 11, 12 generations. The land in Mirabel was the most fertile land in Quebec. There were beautiful plateaus, plains and heat units that everyone here in Quebec would love to have.

This was the federal Liberal government's worst mistake. It is a blow to the Quebec nation. Everyone who was expropriated was francophone.

Opposition Motion—Apology to Those Whose Land Was Expropriated in MirabelBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:30 a.m.

Liberal

Louis Villeneuve Liberal Brome—Missisquoi, QC

Mr. Speaker, I want to start by saying that my brother is a farmer.

Earlier, the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons talked about past mistakes, but he also stressed the importance of consultations. The Conservatives did not include the high-speed rail in their platform during the last election. They voted against the necessary funding to complete the project, and they are going to do everything in their power to end the promise of a high-speed rail.

We need to build major projects that support Canadian workers and connect our country from east to west and from north to south.

Will the Conservatives join us instead of trying to block promising projects?

Opposition Motion—Apology to Those Whose Land Was Expropriated in MirabelBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lévis—Lotbinière, QC

Mr. Speaker, the largest key projects for Canada over the next 15 to 30 years will involve massive investments in our manufacturing sector, which is really under threat right now. If we want to create jobs for Canadians, we need to invest in the manufacturing sector and in mining as well.

Rare minerals will bring in a lot of money. They will be in demand around the world. Canada can be a world leader in supplying the rare minerals that are needed for the future of tomorrow's societies. If we truly want to have major projects, we need to have projects that bring in money before that money is spent.

Opposition Motion—Apology to Those Whose Land Was Expropriated in MirabelBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

Tamara Kronis Conservative Nanaimo—Ladysmith, BC

Mr. Speaker, I want to thank my colleague for raising the issue of the expropriation of land in Mirabel in 1969 and for reminding us of the long-term effects this has had on local families. Many people felt that they were not being heard at the time.

In the hon. member's opinion, what should the government do today to listen to communities more and to treat them more fairly when major projects are planned?

Opposition Motion—Apology to Those Whose Land Was Expropriated in MirabelBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lévis—Lotbinière, QC

Mr. Speaker, I would like to give a brief history lesson.

When I was young, between four and five years old, I saw families on television being expropriated from their land. It is impossible to imagine what it would have felt like for a four- or five-year-old boy living on a farm to see his house being bulldozed. The entire rural community of Quebec felt this great betrayal and the fear of having their land expropriated because major developers had simply drawn a line on a map.

Imagine what it is like to lose nine to 12 generations' worth of work for a project that may not have been worth it.

Opposition Motion—Apology to Those Whose Land Was Expropriated in MirabelBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:30 a.m.

Bloc

Luc Thériault Bloc Montcalm, QC

Mr. Speaker, it is with some emotion that I address the House. Despite the fact that I have only just come back and that I am slowly recovering from pneumonia, I felt it was crucial that I speak. Since I am short of breath and the government's comments are enough to knock the wind out of a person, I hope I will make it to the end of my speech and, more importantly, that I will live up to the name of my riding by staying calm.

First, I want to say that I will be sharing my time with my colleague from Pierre-Boucher—Les Patriotes—Verchères.

Right now, in the public arena, those who are speaking out in local newspapers are mayors, stakeholders and members of the Union des producteurs agricoles, or UPA, who are wondering what this is all about. What is the deal with the so-called consultations that took place yesterday when people did not even know any consultations were happening? In the end, a few people attended, but the whole thing was just a public relations exercise. They were not real consultations at all.

I will come back to this, but the government is simply pretending to recognize the mistakes of the past in this situation. Meanwhile, it has just given Alto the power to do whatever it wants and to do it quickly through Bill C-15. It is all in the approach.

I want to begin my speech today by quoting a song by Paul Piché that accompanied me throughout my teenage years. It really encapsulates today's debate. The people in Mirabel will surely remember it, maybe with a tinge of sadness:

In Forillon Park or St-Scholastique
Gotta make way for tourists and airplanes
Early mornin', gotta hit the bricks
We're in the way, they explained
Got played a damn dirty trick
Chased off our homes, our lands, our country.

I would add that they lost their health too. Some lost their families, and some never recovered from this betrayal. We are told here today, with all the sensitivity that technocrats like the member for Thérèse-De Blainville can muster, that a program could be implemented and that mistakes were made, but that people should get over it. That is not what is needed.

The people in charge of major projects have to show respect for human beings first and foremost and not take them for fools, and they should not pass themselves off as promoters or peddlers, as the Minister of Transport is doing.

Trust has to be earned. Crucial to earning people's trust for the high-speed train that will go through Mirabel, where a monumental, horrible mistake of historic proportions was made, is the recognition by this people's assembly of the pain, the suffering and the way people's lives were negatively affected. There must be an apology.

The government has certainly had the opportunity to apologize. On the 50th anniversary of the expropriation of Mirabel residents, the Quebec National Assembly asked Ottawa to apologize. Some Quebec MPs tell us every day that there is no need for the Bloc Québécois to stand up and ensure the voice of Quebeckers is heard in the House of Commons. I have yet to hear them talk about the folks in Mirabel whose land was expropriated. I hear them talking about the big high-speed rail project, but not about the people whose land was expropriated to build Mirabel. I am not hearing them now.

Our debate started an hour ago, but I have not heard them voice any intention of apologizing.

Yes, Marc Garneau apologized, as an individual, and it was a gesture worthy of the man I respect, but this motion concerns a democratic institution, the people's assembly, which includes representatives of certain parties, one of them being the party in power. As they peddle their projects, the last thing they want to do is apologize. They are certain that they know what the people of Mirabel need better than we do.

On April 3, 2019, the National Assembly of Quebec unanimously passed a motion that had the unanimous support of MPs from Quebec. It seems to me that something unanimously passed by the National Assembly is something that a Quebec member of the House of Commons should be able to bring forward, table and put to a vote here, but no. Here is the motion:

THAT the National Assembly mark the 50th anniversary of Mirabel residents' expropriation;

THAT it demand that the Government of Canada formally and officially apologize to the Québec citizens who were expropriated by the Federal Government in 1969 for the construction of the Mirabel airport.

In April 2019, the Bloc Québécois, which is the only party that passes on the unanimous decisions and unanimous votes of the Quebec National Assembly, moved the following motion in the House:

That this House acknowledge the 50th anniversary of the expropriation of land from Mirabel residents and that this House call on the government to formally and officially apologize to the people of Quebec from whom the federal government expropriated land in 1969 to build the Mirabel airport.

At the time, some members who are in the House today voted against the motion. Today, they are introducing an omnibus bill that waives important provisions of the Expropriation Act, such as the ability to appeal compensation powers.

Furthermore, the Minister of Transport is saying that people are not being accurate in their remarks. In response to a question from the member for Mirabel in the House, he wondered why the member for Mirabel did not rise to criticize the Quebec law on the grounds that its wording is the same as that of the federal law. That is false, completely false, particularly on the issue of appeals and compensation. Still, the Liberals continue to ask us to trust them. They want the people of Mirabel to say okay, they will allow the government to do what it has to do because the Liberals recognized that the airport was a mistake.

Mirabel Airport was touted as the seventh wonder of the world in the 20th century, the project of the century that needed to be built fast so we had to act quickly. What happened? It was a huge disaster. Today, the government does not even have the decency to apologize to the people who suffered and are still suffering decades later.

I would like to warn you that Alto is doing things all wrong. To quote Daniel Bélanger, another singer-songwriter I like, “it is all in the way you do it”, and Alto has clearly just failed its first test. I do not know how they are going to recover from this, but clearly in our neck of the woods—it is also going to run through Lanaudière, Mascouche, Terrebonne and so on—farmers and young families are saying the project should be stalled until they are consulted, because they want to be treated equally and have their say.

As for the rail line, as hard as it is to believe, they are saying a rail line will be built somewhere in a strip not 60 metres wide, but 10 kilometres wide. They are making it up as they go along.

I hope my colleague from the Quebec City area will stand and support our motion because he is a man of honour.

Opposition Motion—Apology to Those Whose Land Was Expropriated in MirabelBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

Helena Konanz Conservative Similkameen—South Okanagan—West Kootenay, BC

Mr. Speaker, I really appreciate the heartfelt comments of my colleague. It is terrible what happened in Mirabel and what is happening now. The subject of private property is coming up a lot lately throughout the country, as well as the right to ownership of land and the security of owning our land and our families continuing to own our land in the future.

Why does my colleague think that there is possibly distrust right now in the current government on whether people throughout the country, not just in Quebec and Mirabel, might not be able to continue to own their land?

Opposition Motion—Apology to Those Whose Land Was Expropriated in MirabelBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:45 a.m.

Bloc

Luc Thériault Bloc Montcalm, QC

Mr. Speaker, as my colleague from Mirabel said, the worst part is that people were dispossessed of their land. In some cases, their children bought back the land when it was returned. Now they are being told, without consultation, that the same thing is happening again and they could lose everything. It feels a bit like Groundhog Day. From a purely moral standpoint, it is unacceptable.

Our farmers feed us. Being a farmer means putting down roots in the land. People in urban areas do not understand that. They may be attached to their house, their home or their car. However, when someone has ties to the land, and that land is cut in half and ripped away from them, it tears out their heart.