House of Commons Hansard #116 of the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was survivors.

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Criminal Code Report stage of Bill S-228. The bill, Bill S-228, seeks to explicitly amend the Criminal Code to define forced and coerced sterilization as aggravated assault. Supporters from all parties argue this legislative clarity is essential to protect bodily autonomy, address systemic discrimination—particularly against Indigenous women—and provide accountability for a practice that remains a modern reality rather than just a historical injustice. 7200 words, 1 hour.

Bill C-11—Time Allocation Motion Members debate the government’s motion to impose time allocation on Bill C-11, which transfers military sexual assault cases to civilian courts. Liberals contend the policy is essential for restoring institutional trust, while opposition members argue closure undermines democratic committee scrutiny. Debate also considers whether survivors should have a choice of jurisdiction. 4600 words, 2 hours.

Military Justice System Modernization Act Report stage of Bill C-11. The bill amends the National Defence Act to transfer sexual misconduct cases within the armed forces to civilian courts. Conservatives and Bloc members, citing recent committee work, argue the legislation should allow survivors to choose which justice system handles their cases. Conversely, Liberals contend that the mandatory transfer is a key recommendation of landmark reports and essential for independence. The opposition heavily criticizes the government for using time allocation to dismiss cross-party amendments. 26000 words, 3 hours in 2 segments: 1 2.

Statements by Members

Question Period

The Conservatives condemn the government for a $1-trillion debt bill that causes higher grocery prices and demand they scrap gas taxes. They seek a Pacific pipeline timeline and ask the Prime Minister to fire the immigration minister. They also demand private property rights protection following the Cowichan decision and criticize excessive business regulations.
The Liberals highlight Canada’s strong fiscal position and reduced deficit. They tout support for steel and aluminum workers and progress on natural gas pipelines. They emphasize social programs like dental care and school food, while defending private property rights and focusing on wildfire preparedness and immigration integrity.
The Bloc demands cash flow and wage subsidies for businesses facing U.S. tariffs, arguing loans are insufficient. They also denounce Cúram software cost overruns and the government’s blocking of committee investigations.

Ministerial Compliance with Order in Council Simon-Pierre Savard-Tremblay supports a question of privilege regarding the government's failure to table annual reports from the Canadian Ombudsperson for Responsible Enterprise, arguing this impedes parliamentary oversight of human rights abuses involving Canadian companies. 900 words, 10 minutes.

Framework on the Access to and Use of Cash Act First reading of Bill C-276. The bill establishes a national framework protecting access to physical cash and mandates parliamentary approval for the creation or issuance of any central bank digital currency in Canada. 200 words.

Petitions

Adjournment Debates

Government fiscal and economic management Cheryl Gallant criticizes the Liberal government for excessive corporate spending, poor fiscal management, and relying on personal attacks. Ryan Turnbull defends their economic record, citing Canada’s strong fiscal position within the G7, rising investments, and a commitment to reducing government operational spending while supporting high-impact projects.
Addressing rising gang violence Tamara Jansen highlights rising gang violence in her district, criticizing the government’s policing and sentencing as too lenient. Ryan Turnbull counters that the Liberal government introduced Bills C-14 and C-16 to address these issues, blaming delays on Conservative obstruction in the Senate and urging her to advocate for their passage.
Fuel taxes and affordability William Stevenson criticizes the government for failing to eliminate federal fuel taxes, arguing current measures are insufficient to address rising inflation and cost-of-living pressures. Ryan Turnbull defends government fiscal management and investments, accusing the Conservatives of consistently voting against measures designed to support affordability and the Canadian workforce.
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12:25 p.m.

Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

Mr. Speaker, no, that is not what he meant.

What he meant was we would reach 2% of our GDP spending in 10 months. We would get members of our Canadian Armed Forces a significant pay raise in less than six months. We would increase recruitment by 61%, year over over. We would be making billions of dollars of investment in our 33 bases. We would extend our presence in Latvia for three more years, with 3,000 members in a forward operating location. We would announce $40 billion for investments in the Arctic, including for northern operational support hubs.

We are moving at breakneck speed. The problem is that, in every one of those cases, the opposition has voted against.

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12:25 p.m.

Bloc

Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC

Mr. Speaker, as I mentioned earlier, there is officially a new dynamic at play, and the government is being rather arrogant, or blatantly arrogant, even. There is no longer any point in speaking in committee because we are not getting any answers.

There is a new government that secured a majority with the help of defectors, including an NDP MP. Among other things, this MP was one of the lawmakers who worked on amendments to this bill. Some of these amendments were very constructive and improved the bill, but the Liberals removed some of them for no reason, simply because they have given themselves the right to do whatever they want now and to disregard the will of the people who elected us to represent them and work together.

I would like the government to explain to me why it refuses to respect the will of the committee and all the concerted effort that went into producing a better bill for Canadians.

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12:25 p.m.

Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

Mr. Speaker, bringing about a cultural shift is not only the right thing to do; it is also essential to meeting our operational needs in the area of national security. This is not at all a partisan issue, and the member knows it.

We introduced Bill C-11 to enshrine the main recommendations of Justices Arbour and Fish in the legislation and to restore victims' and survivors' confidence in the armed forces. Justice Arbour's fifth recommendation involves removing the Canadian Armed Forces' jurisdiction over the investigation and prosecution of Criminal Code sexual offences. That is exactly what we have proposed and that is exactly what we we are doing. We hope to have our colleagues' support.

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12:25 p.m.

Conservative

Shelby Kramp-Neuman Conservative Hastings—Lennox and Addington—Tyendinaga, ON

Mr. Speaker, I am a bit confused. At committee, there were a number of veterans who spoke and shared their heart-wrenching stories. We heard time and time again the importance of survivors wanting choice. At committee, the Minister of National Defence said, of the members of the Canadian Armed Forces, that we have to be able to look them in the eye, and tell them that we have a well-run and transparent system, and that they can trust the system to help them when problems arise.

How is denying survivors choice and forcing them into an overburdened civilian system that does not understand the realities of military service compatible with the minister's promise of a transparent, well-run system that they can trust?

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12:25 p.m.

Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

Mr. Speaker, we are taking our lead from Madam Justice Arbour, one of our most distinguished Supreme Court of Canada justices.

Here is really what is at stake: Victims and survivors deserve legal clarity, transparency and trust in the process. Justice Arbour herself called a victim's choice between military and civilian courts “a false choice”. This is because we would be placing a burden on a victim in a time of high stress, trauma and in fact duress to choose between two unequal options. Asking victims and survivors to choose between two unequal options, one of which has the potential for chain-of-command interference, in a Criminal Code case does not provide victims with clarity, transparency or certainty.

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12:25 p.m.

Bloc

Jean-Denis Garon Bloc Mirabel, QC

Mr. Speaker, this government, which was elected as a minority government, bought itself a majority by getting members to cross the floor. It is taking the democratic work of a committee and undoing it. Today, it is using the majority it bought to impose a gag order, but that is not the worst part. We have here a minister who is simply repeating the same old lines and who cannot answer a single one of our questions without reading from a script prepared by his staff.

I would like the minister to stand up, leave his notes on his desk and tell us honestly whether he believes that what the Liberals are doing today is democratic.

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12:30 p.m.

Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

Mr. Speaker, I will repeat myself in French for my colleague's benefit. Victims and survivors deserve legal clarity, transparency and trust in the process. Justice Arbour herself described a victim's choice between military and civilian courts as a false choice. I want to emphasize the word “false”. Indeed, that would amount to placing a burden on the victim of having to choose between two unequal options, all at a time of stress and trauma.

Ultimately, asking victims and survivors to choose between two unequal options, one of which has the potential for chain-of-command interference, in a Criminal Code case does not provide victims with clarity, transparency or certainty.

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12:30 p.m.

Conservative

John Brassard Conservative Barrie South—Innisfil, ON

Mr. Speaker, this is another truly sad day for our democracy and our democratic institutions. The decline in democracy is continuing with the Liberal government.

The defence minister keeps referencing the Arbour report. That report was established almost seven years ago and only five years ago did the government start implementing any of the recommendations in the report. We have had all this despite the fact that seven years later, things have changed significantly. We had CAF members, stakeholders and veterans all come to committee and talk about this, yet the government continues to ignore the voices of those who know better than government what types of systems should be in place and it is gutting every committee recommendation.

Is it not true that the government only wants an audience, not an opposition?

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12:30 p.m.

Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

Mr. Speaker, maybe in conclusion I could remind the member that the chief of the defence staff, in her previous position, spoke to 14,000 individuals. I am not sure where he is deriving his numbers from. As a result of that as well, Madam Justice Arbour actually conducted one of the deepest commissions of inquiry in this whole area.

The member knows better than to hurl this kind of invective. It is not like him. As a result of that, I think what we should do is remind ourselves that this is about enhancing trust. That is what Bill C-11 will do and that is why we are moving forward.

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12:30 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker John Nater

It is my duty to interrupt the proceedings at this time and put forthwith the question on the motion now before the House.

The question is on the motion.

Shall I dispense?

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12:30 p.m.

Some hon. members

No.

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12:30 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker John Nater

[Chair read text of motion to House]

If a member participating in person wishes that the motion be carried or carried on division, or if a member of a recognized party participating in person wishes to request a recorded division, I invite them to rise and indicate it to the Chair.

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12:30 p.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

Mr. Speaker, we would like to have a recorded division.

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12:30 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker John Nater

Call in the members.

Before the Clerk announced the result of the vote:

I am told that there is a technical difficulty involving the votes.

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1:30 p.m.

Conservative

Chris Warkentin Conservative Grande Prairie, AB

Mr. Speaker, if you seek it, you may find unanimous consent to allow members to leave the chamber while the Table and the Speaker resolve the outcome of the vote.

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1:30 p.m.

The Speaker Francis Scarpaleggia

Is it agreed?

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1:30 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

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May 4th, 2026 / 1:35 p.m.

Conservative

Chris Warkentin Conservative Grande Prairie, AB

Mr. Speaker, as the Table is working feverishly to complete the vote count, we believe that all members from our side who made attempts to vote on the app have been accounted for, with the exception of the member for Carlton Trail—Eagle Creek.

We would ask for unanimous consent to allow for that member's vote to count and be included in the vote.

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1:35 p.m.

The Speaker Francis Scarpaleggia

Is it agreed?

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1:35 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

(The House divided on the motion, which was agreed to on the following division:)

Vote #108

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1:35 p.m.

The Speaker Francis Scarpaleggia

I declared the motion carried.

I wish to inform the House that, because of the proceedings on the time allocation motion, Government Orders will be extended by 30 minutes.

The House resumed from April 23 consideration of Bill C-11, An Act to amend the National Defence Act and other Acts, as reported (with amendments) from the committee, and of the motions in Group No. 1.

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1:35 p.m.

Conservative

Pat Kelly Conservative Calgary Crowfoot, AB

Mr. Speaker, sexual misconduct in the armed forces is a known long-standing problem. It was known during the previous Conservative government. The previous Conservative government received the Deschamps report, which recommended changes, some of which required legislation, in March of 2015.

The report was tabled and its recommendations were accepted just before the 2015 election. If Conservatives had been re-elected in 2015, the legislative changes necessary to address investigations and prosecutions into sexual misconduct would have been taken care of 10 years ago, but that is not how it turned out. The Liberals won the 2015 election. During the entire 42nd Parliament, the Liberals did absolutely nothing. They made literally zero effort to pass the necessary legislation between 2015 and 2019.

We have to go through this to really figure out how we got here, when the Liberals are time allocating this bill today, in 2026.

During the 42nd Parliament, the Liberals' main contribution to the issue of sexual misconduct was to cover it up. That is what it did when it touched the highest levels of the chain of command. Some will remember that former defence minister Harjit Sajjan helped cover up known sexual misconduct by the then chief of the defence staff, Jonathan Vance, along with some help from the Trudeau PMO.

After the next election, in the 43rd Parliament, the Liberals still did absolutely nothing to implement the Deschamps report. They let new reports pile up, such as the Fish report and the Arbour report, while a succession of senior officers continued to be publicly accused of sexual harassment.

Three elections in, the Liberals finally got around to tabling an earlier version of this bill in the spring of 2023. That was eight years after the Deschamps report, and then they made almost no effort to move the bill in the House. It sat there collecting dust on the Order Paper for a whole year before receiving, I believe, exactly one day of debate in the spring of 2024.

Some will remember what the Liberals did in the fall of 2024. They sacrificed their entire legislative agenda in defiance of two orders of Parliament. They willingly did so rather than comply with rulings from the Speaker that found prima facie evidence of contempt of Parliament related to the corruption of the green slush fund and the lies told about the disgraced former minister Randy Boissonnault at committee and his conflicts of interest.

That lost legislative session ended with the implosion of the Liberal cabinet, the resignation of the then prime minister and the prorogation of Parliament. It ended the Liberals' attempt, their first attempt, to legislate the changes recommended by Justice Deschamps.

Conservatives have always supported, and continue to support, the recommendations contained in the Deschamps report. We agreed with the recommendations when we were in government. Conservatives have continued to agree with them while in opposition during the 42nd Parliament, the 43rd Parliament, the 44th Parliament and, now, the 45th Parliament.

When the Liberals finally called this bill, Bill C-11, last December, on a Friday, Conservatives allowed it to pass at second reading without even one full day of debate. Now we have the amendments.

The amendments we are debating are the result of the defence committee's work earlier this year. The defence committee heard brave, courageous testimony from victims of sexual assault, abuse and harassment within the armed forces. They heard about traumatic, harrowing experiences. The testimony that was heard at the defence committee was given serious consideration.

The appropriate jurisdiction of investigations and prosecution is not a simple question. It is true that Justice Arbour recommended that all cases be referred to the civilian system, but it is also true that many victims expressed a variety of concerns about access to justice within the civilian system. That is why Conservatives and Bloc MPs, even the NDP, all recommended that the best way to give victims their best shot at receiving justice is to allow the victim to choose which system makes the most sense in their particular case.

The simplicity of this recommendation speaks for itself. There have been other inquiries and studies done at the defence committee, and none of the inquiries, the studies or parliamentary reports disagreed that there are barriers to justice within a system where the victim and the accused are part of the same chain of command. Nobody is disputing this.

However, as was pointed out by witnesses during the committee's study, the civilian system is also riddled with barriers to justice for victims. Official languages is an issue if a member cannot get service in the official language of their choice in the provincial system of where they are stationed. Delay is another one. That is why the committee recommended choice. It would not be forcing anybody to have their case studied within the military system. It would be giving choice.

During this committee study, no party had a majority. All the MPs worked together, regardless of their party affiliation. There were many amendments proposed, and there was very powerful and compelling testimony that drove these amendments. That is what Parliament is all about: hearing from the witnesses at committee and working together to recommend improvement to the legislation. That is good opposition politics. That is good government party politics.

However, we know that now everything has changed. The Liberals have a majority, and they have already demonstrated the contempt they hold for opposition MPs and for ideas other than their own. In its arrogance and unbridled hubris, the Liberal government is ignoring the wisdom born of co-operation and collaboration. There were 14 amendments, which were all supported by multiple parties, and now the Liberals are intent on ramming the bill through, after spending almost 11 years failing to introduce and pass it.

The member for Nunavut, in particular, contributed to the bill in a very meaningful, important way. This is what Canadians want. Her party did not even have a seat at the committee table, but she as an MP produced a good, sound, principled amendment that was debated and adopted at committee. Canadians say they want their elected representatives to be open-minded. They want them to work together and want them to respect and co-operate with each other. That is what the defence committee members did. They took seriously the amendments offered by an MP who did not even have a vote at the committee.

However, between the clause-by-clause review at the committee and the present, today, when the Liberals now have a majority and have used time allocation to curtail debate on this, the member for Nunavut has crossed the floor and joined the Liberal caucus. She had a history of principled opposition to government. She was one of the few NDP members who remembered that her duty was to oppose the government and not to hold the opposition party to account.

I hope the member for Nunavut will remember this and will not end up opposing her own contribution to the bill, because she proposed the amendment that would allow choice and flexibility in cases of sexual misconduct in the military. She was doing her job, so now that she sits on the Liberal benches, I hope she will actually follow through and support her own amendment.

The member for Nunavut is not the only one. There are other members who have crossed the floor. We now see the Liberals and their true colours: power at all costs and control at all costs, with power concentrated entirely in the hands of the Prime Minister.

The Prime Minister's contempt for Parliament as an institution is becoming obvious to all. I am actually concerned about his limited civic literacy, when he speaks in English and calls other MPs his deputies, and when he sets up photo op signings, pretending to sign bills into law. It is almost as if he needed to be told that it is actually the Governor General who signs laws, not him; that she does so only after they have been agreed to by a majority of members of Parliament, of both Houses of Parliament; and that none of those members in either chamber are his deputies.

I am disappointed that the government took 11 years to deal with a well-known and long-standing problem and that it is proposing to gut this bill after such clear and powerful committee testimony. I supported the bill in principle and sending it to the defence committee. I support the conclusions of the defence committee, which made important amendments to fix the bill. I oppose the Liberals' attempts to undo the committee's work by gutting the amendments today.

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1:45 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the member's comments toward the end of his speech about the use of the word député, which, as he knows, means “member of Parliament” in French.

However, I am curious whether the member is equally as concerned about the time the member for Brantford—Brant South—Six Nations stood in the House in the middle of question period and, when he was responded to in French, challenged the minister for responding in French. The member said he wished he had answered the question in English. He must be equally as outraged about when that happened. Is that correct?