Evidence of meeting #18 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was schreiber.
A recording is available from Parliament.
Liberal
As an Individual
You saw it there. This was already at $710,000 out of $4 million that Thyssen paid.
Liberal
Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB
No, no. If the project had gone ahead and been built, would there have been success fees?
As an Individual
No, this is pure speculation. When these agreements were done and everything was done, there was nothing more to do.
Liberal
Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB
All right.
Mr. Mulroney says he didn't discuss money with you at Harrington Lake. How did you know, then, to bring $100,000 in cash with you to Mirabel?
As an Individual
Oh no, this is again this confusion about what happened at Harrington Lake. I'll try one more time.
He told me the story with Kim Campbell and what he could do. We agreed that when he is no longer in office--when he is in Montreal--we are going to work together.
I knew that he needed money and I wanted to do the deal with him. When I left Harrington Lake a few days later, I called the bank and I asked in the meantime to get me the documents--
Liberal
Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB
I'm not asking what you did a few years later, a few weeks later, or a few days later; I'm asking you if you talked about money at all with Mr. Mulroney at Harrington Lake in August of 1993.
As an Individual
Only in the respect that when I hired him, I would pay him. I mean, he wouldn't be the guy who works for free when he is in miserable conditions money-wise.
Liberal
Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB
We talked about Mr. Verchere.
It's my last question, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.
Did you ever discuss with Mr. Verchere anything about Swiss bank accounts--setting them up, how to deal with them?
As an Individual
I did not speak to him. It was a friend of Frank Moores.
Liberal
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo
Thank you. We'll come back to the committee here.
Mr. Van Kesteren is next, please.
Conservative
Dave Van Kesteren Conservative Chatham-Kent—Essex, ON
Thank you.
I'm going to tell what part of the problem is. When we hear these stories and when we get these details going back and forth, your eyes glaze over--not yours, mine--and I think a lot of people's do too. We just can't put a thumb on it.
One of the areas that really trouble me is the testimony on what took place in the Pierre Hotel. Help me along with this for just a minute.
Mr. Schreiber, Mr. Mulroney testified here in December that not only did he do some international lobbying for you, but he also gave you a progress report at that hotel. He told us that he lobbied for you in Russia, China, and France.
Conservative
Dave Van Kesteren Conservative Chatham-Kent—Essex, ON
Mr. Doucet told us the same thing. As a matter of fact, he was at that meeting as well.
As an Individual
Well, if they stay with this, I may even think today about going to the RCMP and to the Germans and telling them what they did. It's nonsense.
Conservative
Dave Van Kesteren Conservative Chatham-Kent—Essex, ON
He remembers talking about the vehicles, and Mr. Mulroney was lobbying in support of that.
Conservative
Dave Van Kesteren Conservative Chatham-Kent—Essex, ON
Well, you testified that you handed over a payment to Mr. Mulroney at the--
Conservative
Dave Van Kesteren Conservative Chatham-Kent—Essex, ON
Okay. If you weren't satisfied with Mr. Mulroney's work and you weren't satisfied with the progress report, why did you hand over the third payment?
As an Individual
This has nothing to do with this. Because I told you, when Kim Campbell did not win the election.... What you say now would already apply to the payment at the Queen Elizabeth. It was over with for Mrs. Campbell. But he needed help. It was the beginning, and I thought I might use him in the future.
When we were in New York, I don't even know when the pasta stuff came up. It might have been the first time, as Elmer MacKay said to him, “By the way, why are you bothering us with this?”
You heard from Elmer MacKay today--and everybody knows what an honest man he is--that this was not an invitation to a wedding party with Mr. and Mrs. MacKay. What are you really talking about?
This is why I say that when you have an inquiry, we'll have the lawyers there, you'll have proper cross-examinations, and I promise you, you will hear wonderful stories. And I will be very happy to sit there, I can tell you that.
Conservative
Dave Van Kesteren Conservative Chatham-Kent—Essex, ON
Mr. Mulroney and Mr. Doucet both said that you were delighted with the progress report. So were they lying about it?