Evidence of meeting #18 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was schreiber.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Elmer MacKay  As an Individual
Karlheinz Schreiber  As an Individual

4:25 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

Too bad. It would have been nice if he had been around.

4:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

So Mr. MacEachen has asked Mr. Mulroney to correct his statement before this committee, and I hope that he will.

We'll move now to questions, and Mr. Murphy will begin for seven minutes.

February 25th, 2008 / 4:25 p.m.

Liberal

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Welcome back.

Mr. Schreiber, Mr. Luc Lavoie, Mr. Mulroney's very highly paid professional spokesperson, reiterated the figure of $300,000 to the Canadian public when this matter broke. You have said under oath that the amount was $300,000. I want to take you back to August 1993 and the meeting you had with Mr. Mulroney and the subsequent payment that took place of $100,000 to Mr. Mulroney. That is your testimony, is it--that it was $100,000?

4:30 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

Excuse me for one moment. You spoke about the meeting at Mirabel, or what was it? Was that your question?

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

Did you pay Mr. Mulroney $100,000 instead of the $75,000?

4:30 p.m.

As an Individual

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

That was in August of 1993.

4:30 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

In August, so that was at the Mirabel hotel. No. He got $100,000.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

Right, you paid him $100,000. He said it was $75,000. Can you explain why?

4:30 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

It must have disappeared out of his pockets; otherwise I cannot tell you. I brought him $100,000, but you know, Baron von Münchhausen--

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

I'm aware of the legend. Can we get to the question?

4:30 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

It's the same initials, you know: BM. He's cuckoo.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

Did Mr. Mulroney object to being paid in cash?

4:30 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

Yes. I had a gun in my hand, and I said, “You take this cash or you will never get another nickel from me”.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

Be serious, Mr. Schreiber.

4:30 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

It's nonsense.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

So did he object to being paid in cash?

4:30 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

Not at all. There wasn't even a discussion.

You have to forgive me. I'm pretty mad today. You know that?

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

Don't get mad at me. I'm asking easy questions.

4:30 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

No, it's not at you.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

Mr. Doucet has said that he did not set up or organize the meeting in June of 1993 at Harrington Lake. How did you get there?

4:30 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

In the meantime, I have my doubts whether I dreamed that I was picked up with a limousine and that Fred Doucet organized the meeting. I didn't even know where Harrington Lake is and whatever could happen there.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

Be specific. Did Mr. Fred Doucet set up the meeting at Harrington Lake?

4:30 p.m.

As an Individual

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

Okay.

Mr. Schreiber, for 1991 there is a series of entries in your daytimer.