Evidence of meeting #87 for Finance in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was capital.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Geoff Trueman  Director, Business Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Ted Cook  Senior Legislative Chief, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Shawn Porter  Director, Tax Legislation, Department of Finance
Ian Pomroy  Senior Tax Policy Officer, Social Tax Policy, Personal Income Tax Division, Department of Finance
Pierre Mercille  Senior Legislative Chief, Sales Tax Division, GST Legislation, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Kei Moray  Director, Intergovernmental Tax Policy, Evaluation and Research Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Annie Hardy  Chief, Financial Institutions Division, Structural Issues, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Jane Pearse  Director, Financial Institutions Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Jean-François Girard  Senior Project Leader, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Wayne Foster  Director, Financial Markets Division, Department of Finance
Dominique LaSalle  Director General, Seniors and Pensions Policy Secretariat, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development
Marianna Giordano  Director, CPP Policy and Legislation, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development
Krista Campbell  Director General, Strategic Policy Branch, Department of Industry

3:55 p.m.

Senior Legislative Chief, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Ted Cook

Certainly.

This measure relates to existing provisions in the Income Tax Act relating to transfer pricing. Transfer pricing describes the prices at which related parties transact over international borders. These would be corporations that are part of the same group. It can be used as part of international corporate tax planning to shift profits from a high-tax jurisdiction to a low-tax jurisdiction. In particular, what happens is that companies will try to move expenditures into high-tax jurisdictions or move revenues out of high-tax jurisdictions.

Under existing rules, CRA can make an assessment to adjust prices for these transactions to what arm's-length parties would have transacted at. That gives rise to a transfer pricing adjustment. You may increase or decrease the price of something for Canadian tax purposes. However, that's just what's known as a primary adjustment. Sometimes, even if you reduce an expenditure for the Canadian taxpayer, what's happened is that by overpaying, the Canadian taxpayer has conferred a benefit on a non-resident party. Normally, when a Canadian taxpayer confers a benefit to the non-resident parent, for example, that'll be a dividend that attracts part XIII withholding tax.

What this measure does is it allows the CRA to make what's called a secondary or consequential adjustment to capture, for part XIII purposes, the benefit conferred on a non-resident. The subcommittee on transfer pricing of the Advisory Panel on Canada's System of International Taxation recommended that there be a clarification of the treatment of secondary adjustments. Current CRA practice is to impose these kinds of adjustments under existing rules. This clarifies the operation.

4 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Do you have questions on this, Mr. Mai?

4 p.m.

NDP

Hoang Mai NDP Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Yes.

Do you have an estimate of the annual fiscal impact of this measure?

4 p.m.

Senior Legislative Chief, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Ted Cook

As I indicated, the CRA current official practice is to assess part XIII withholding tax in these circumstances. The only decision in which it has been considered by a court has actually upheld the ability to impose part XIII on withholding tax.

There is no booked fiscal impact. It just clarifies the operation of the act.

4 p.m.

NDP

Hoang Mai NDP Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Also, so that I understand, in terms of CRA being involved in that, CRA has to do some assessment. From what I understand, it comes from the filers. They say that this is how they apply those amounts, but auditors then have to look at that issue.

Could you give us an idea in terms of the corporations and how many companies are affected in terms of groups and things like that?

4 p.m.

Senior Legislative Chief, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Ted Cook

I don't have those figures at hand, but certainly transfer pricing is considered by many to be the most important international tax issue at this time. Supporting transfer pricing assessments is a significant head office function for the CRA.

It does run the gamut from fairly small companies up to very large ones. I don't think there's any sort of group of companies for which it's not relevant.

4 p.m.

NDP

Hoang Mai NDP Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Do we have an estimate, an aggregate number of companies that are affected by this or are involved in this?

4 p.m.

Senior Legislative Chief, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Ted Cook

Do you mean those that are subject to transfer pricing audits?

4 p.m.

NDP

Hoang Mai NDP Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Yes.

4 p.m.

Senior Legislative Chief, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Ted Cook

As I said, this is simply consequential and something the CRA for some time has asked us to do.

I do believe the CRA has some summary figures on the levels of transfer pricing assessments they've done in recent years. I'd be quite happy to try to get that for the committee.

4 p.m.

NDP

Hoang Mai NDP Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Could you, if possible?

4 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

If you could submit that, we'd appreciate that very much.

Thank you.

We will move on to the thin capitalization rules. Okay.

We'll move on to the section on foreign affiliate dumping.

4 p.m.

NDP

Guy Caron NDP Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

Could we have a small briefing?

4 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Could we have a small briefing on this section?

Mr. Cook.

4 p.m.

Senior Legislative Chief, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Ted Cook

Certainly this measure tries to curtail the ability of multinational groups to engage in what's commonly referred to as foreign affiliate dumping.

As I was indicating in the discussion about transfer pricing, that involves amounts paid out of Canada to a non-resident shareholder of a Canadian corporation. That generally attracts part XIII withholding tax.

There are a number of strategies that have developed to allow Canadian companies to buy foreign affiliates, perhaps from a non-resident parent company. Purchasing that foreign affiliate can be done either by way of debt or by way of cash assets in the Canadian corporation.

The acquisition cost of that or the interest paid in respect of the debt of the acquisition might go out on a basis that's not subject to part XIII withholding tax. It being a foreign affiliate, if it's running particular types of income, it might come back to Canada tax-free, so there might not be any Canadian tax.

It's a measure to deal with a particular form of international tax planning that seeks to take money out of the Canadian tax net.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Okay.

Mr. Caron, do you have a question to ask?

4:05 p.m.

NDP

Guy Caron NDP Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

Yes.

How many transactions of this sort have been performed in the past year or two?

November 1st, 2012 / 4:05 p.m.

Shawn Porter Director, Tax Legislation, Department of Finance

I don't think we have a specific number, but we looked at it, and this was relevant for coming up with the estimate in the budget document as well.

Over the last 10 years the number has been quite large and it is growing. These tend to be larger dollar transactions, so the volume isn't particularly high but the dollar amounts are quite large, because the people involved, the taxpayers involved, are large foreign multinationals. They're the typical profile that's involved in this kind of planning.

4:05 p.m.

NDP

Guy Caron NDP Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

Without naming companies, could you tell us whether the transactions were performed for a specific purpose?

4:05 p.m.

Director, Tax Legislation, Department of Finance

Shawn Porter

Have there been transactions carried out for this very purpose?

4:05 p.m.

NDP

Guy Caron NDP Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

Yes.

4:05 p.m.

Director, Tax Legislation, Department of Finance

Shawn Porter

Yes, absolutely, and this rule is targeted specifically at those types of transactions.

4:05 p.m.

NDP

Guy Caron NDP Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

So, as far as the impact this might have on foreign investment, real investment and investment made for the right reasons is concerned, you think that there might not necessarily be any, but that it might curb transactions for exactly that reason.

4:05 p.m.

Director, Tax Legislation, Department of Finance

Shawn Porter

We're very mindful of that effect, and it was touched upon in the budget documents. A consultation period was contemplated in the budget plan. Legislation was released on August 14. There have been ongoing consultations with a wide range of stakeholders to ensure that the rule hits the targeted kinds of transactions. The objective clearly is not to impede ordinary business commercial transactions in Canada.

4:05 p.m.

NDP

Guy Caron NDP Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

Do you know whether other countries have adopted the same measure?