Evidence of meeting #10 for Health in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was working.

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On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Johansen  Mayor, Town of Oliver
Hall  Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Association for Long Term Care
Lake  Executive Director, Alberta International Medical Graduate Association
Silas  President, Canadian Federation of Nurses Unions
Singh  Member, Internationally Educated Nurses Advisory Committee, Canadian Federation of Nurses Unions
Suleman  Clinical Associate Professor, Stanford University, As an Individual

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

I'm calling the meeting to order.

Before I introduce the witnesses, there is a little bit of housekeeping I want to remind you of.

As you well know, we have the second study we're going to do, Monsieur Thériault's on antimicrobial issues. We need to have witness lists for that study submitted no later than Thursday, November 6, at 4 p.m. Then, the next one would be Ms. Chi's on Thursday, November 13, on pharmaceutical sovereignty. We need witness lists by November 13, which is the week off, by 4 p.m.

Let's get those lists together, guys, so we can move and not have to waste time.

Yes, go ahead, Dan.

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Can we get a week's extension on the witnesses for the antimicrobial study?

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

I don't think so. We will not be able to get enough people to come to the first meeting. If we don't get a list in time for people to call people to ask them to come, then we don't have witnesses, so we don't have a meeting.

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

If we don't have enough witnesses, can we submit them later on, or is that the final drop-off?

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

As you know, Dan, you submit your lists and if, later on, you have a couple of people you want to throw in, you do it.

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Okay, thank you.

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

All right. That was a bit of housekeeping.

I want to continue our meeting with the next witnesses.

From the Alberta International Medical Graduate Association, we have Deidre Lake, executive director.

I'm sorry; I'm going to have to suspend. We're having mic problems.

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

I'm calling the meeting to order again.

I would like to introduce the witnesses for this hour.

Yes, go ahead, Dan.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Chair, just a point of clarification. In looking at the calendar and our last discussion about witnesses as of the 18th, where's the opioid study at? Is there an update on that?

The Clerk of the Committee Catherine Ngando Edimo

On November 20, there's an interim report.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Yes. How are we coming along with that?

The Clerk

It is the interim report. It's for you to decide what you want to do after.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

I guess, going back to our original request about extending for witnesses, we won't get to that study until way into November, so—

The Clerk

It's whatever the committee wants to do. It's just a draft. You can say to change it.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

Yes, but it'll be a meeting—

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Dan, we don't know if the opioid report will be ready, because it's still in translation. It may or may not be.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

We're getting an indication that it will be ready.

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Will it be ready? Good.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Riding Mountain, MB

So I guess the possible extension for witnesses for the antimicrobial—

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

I would like to keep the deadline, and you can extend later on with more witnesses. Thank you.

All right, once again, I'm going to introduce the witnesses.

From the Alberta International Medical Graduate Association, we have Deidre Lake, executive director. As an individual, we have Dr. Shazeen Suleman, clinical associate professor, Stanford University. From the Canadian Federation of Nurses Unions, we have Linda Silas, president, and Baljinder Singh, member, internationally educated nurses advisory committee.

We will begin. This is how it works. Each group will have five minutes—not each person but each group. I'll give you a one-minute and a 30-second prompt so you can wrap up. We are going to have questions and answers after that.

I'll begin with Ms. Lake for a maximum of five minutes, please.

Deidre Lake Executive Director, Alberta International Medical Graduate Association

Thank you.

I'm the executive director of the Alberta International Medical Graduate Association, also known as the ITP hub. We serve internationally trained physicians across Canada by providing navigation supports and programs and services for the successful integration of ITPs into the health workforce. We're essentially a one-stop shop for every step in the licensure process for all pathways across Canada.

Access to the right supports at the right time matters. Our work is made possible by funding from the governments of Canada and Alberta. We currently have a talent pool of 3,800 active members seeking licensure or alternative careers in health care. We believe every ITP deserves a fair assessment of their skills and knowledge. I'm confident that a timely national process aligning competencies with workforce demands is possible.

A proven approach, utilized by some provinces, is the practice readiness assessment pathway, in which ITPs undergo a clinical field assessment while working under a provisional licence and are assessed for their competence to practise independently. For ITPs who do not meet the eligibility criteria or who meet the criteria but have been out of practice for three or more years, their only options are to return to their countries of origin to practise independently and renew recency or to compete for the limited number of residency seats through our Canadian residency matching system.

Last year, 95% of medical graduates who had trained in Canada matched to residency and could apply for any program of interest. ITPs, however, are not given the opportunity of choice. For comparison, due to the lack of seats, only 48% of ITPs matched. In Alberta, ITPs must demonstrate physical presence during a specified time frame. Ontario recently limited its residency seats to ITPs who have attended two or more years of high school in their province.

These restrictions exclude ITPs from being able to compete broadly. If we are interested in excellence, why are we not letting all eligible ITPs compete for all designated seats? Why are we placing further limitations on a group of individuals who already have limited spots to begin with, at a time when we need physicians?

I have many stories from my 20 years of working with ITPs about how costs of licensure, duplicative and repetitive assessments, and unnecessary and inflexible administrative barriers have led to many experienced physicians not even being able to make it to the plate to be assessed.

One of my most recent Uber drivers was a physician refugee from Afghanistan. He is not pursuing licensure, but he questioned why it's considered unsafe for him to give vaccines. A physician from India, who worked for several years in South Africa, was hired by the municipality of Vegreville, Alberta, but he experienced technical difficulties during his remote therapeutics decision-making exam. A disruption in Internet service and the “one sitting per calendar year” rule meant that he was unable to retake the exam for a year; not only was he out of a job, but the patients of Vegreville were also without access until a replacement could be found.

This year, approximately 40 of our members were denied the ability to compete for residency in Alberta because no window of opportunity is allotted to correct application oversights. Again, it is process over people, and competitive candidates are unable to compete.

This study is a crucial one. We must remove systemic barriers, shift from being exclusive to being inclusive, and streamline processes to allow ITPs to demonstrate their competencies sooner. This means assessing ITPs pre-arrival or upon arrival, determining the scope of practice that aligns with their training and experience, and matching these with health workforce demands.

Let's do better in determining who is able to go directly into independent practice versus who needs partial or full residency training. Let's expand upon the number of approved jurisdictions using evidence-based decision-making, remove redundancy for those applying to CaRMS and offer bridging opportunities to ensure that ITPs are equipped with the necessary supports to work to their full potential and to get doctors where doctors are needed, for the benefit of all of us.

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you very much, Ms. Lake.

I now go to the Canadian Federation of Nurses Unions, with Linda Silas and Baljinder Singh.

Linda, you have five minutes.

Linda Silas President, Canadian Federation of Nurses Unions

Thank you so much.

Hello, Madam Chair.

Thank you to the committee for letting us appear today. I apologize for not being there in person.

As mentioned, my name is Linda Silas. I'm a registered nurse, a proud New Brunswicker and the president of the Canadian Federation of Nurses Unions. We represent over 250,000 frontline nurses and nursing students.

Let me start with two simple truths. First of all, all recruitments of IENs should be done in an ethical fashion, respecting Canada's relationships with other countries. Second, it is clear that internationally educated nurses, or IENs, face serious challenges in Canada. Only 42% of employed immigrants in Canada with a nursing degree are currently employed as nurses.

Earlier this year, the CFNU, in partnership with World Education Services, published a comprehensive report on the experiences of IENs. I believe you all received a copy. This was done through workshops with IENs across the country and a comprehensive environmental scan. The report identified barriers that IENs have been facing for years, including fragmented licensure systems, high fees, unpaid clinical placements, lack of mentorship, lack of workplace supports and discrimination.

At a time when our country has tens of thousands of vacant nursing positions, we need to find a way to better support the integration of IENs in Canada. Our report supports that and brings many recommendations. I'll name three.

First, establish a collaborative multi-stakeholder body to assist with strategy, with planning and with coordination of IEN registration, integration and necessary supports. We believe this should be done by Health Canada. Two, standardize the registration process for IENs across Canada's jurisdictions. Three, implement mentorship and anti-bias programs to ensure that once nurses are licensed, they are welcomed and retained in the workforce.

Before we continue, I would like to introduce Baljinder Singh, a member of our advisory committee on our recent report, who will share his experiences.

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Go ahead, Mr. Singh.

Baljinder Singh Member, Internationally Educated Nurses Advisory Committee, Canadian Federation of Nurses Unions

Honourable Chair and esteemed committee members, thank you for inviting me to contribute to this important discussion.

My name is Baljinder Singh. I am an internationally educated registered nurse, a member of the CFNU IEN advisory committee and a former member of the NSNU. Currently, I am working as a lecturer at the Dalhousie University school of nursing in Yarmouth, Nova Scotia.

I was born in India and arrived in Canada in April 2017 with several years of clinical nursing experience and a deep desire to continue serving in the health care field. However, the journey to re-entering my profession in Canada was far from easy.

Like many internationally educated nurses, I faced significant barriers, including recent practice requirements, lengthy delays in processing, lack of clear guidance and financial challenges. During this time, I had to take on a variety of jobs far from my nursing profession to support my family. I worked at KFC, on loading docks, as an Uber driver, and later as personal support worker. It took me seven years to receive my RN licence. I had to get licensed in the U.S.A. before finally obtaining my licence in Canada.

Despite these struggles, I am proud to share that with the support of the Nova Scotia Health Authority, I successfully achieved my RN registration in April 2023.

Thank you very much for your time and for allowing me to share my story.