Evidence of meeting #11 for Indigenous and Northern Affairs in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was project.

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On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Rebecca Alty  Minister of Crown-Indigenous Relations
Rebecca Chartrand  Minister of Northern and Arctic Affairs
Gideon  Deputy Minister, Department of Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs
Mandy Gull-Masty  Minister of Indigenous Services
Kovacevic  Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Indigenous Services

Ginette Lavack Liberal St. Boniface—St. Vital, MB

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Minister, I'm delighted to have you with us today.

My fellow members pointed out that the Auditor General identified serious issues, but she also recognized the incredibly complex nature of delivering services to communities, which have pressing and often multi-faceted needs.

Can you describe the measures your department has taken to address the recommendations in relation to response coordination, accountability and service improvements? Can you also tell us how those efforts will contribute to better outcomes for indigenous communities?

Mandy Gull-Masty Liberal Abitibi—Baie-James—Nunavik—Eeyou, QC

When I got the Auditor General's report, I was reminded of how much work we still have to do. The report clearly lays out the steps we need to take to improve not just the quality of the services we provide, but also the way we work with communities.

We have put a number of initiatives in place. My colleague can give you some examples.

As far as I'm concerned, there are three key elements in the report we need to work on.

First, we need to improve our service processes in order to address applications more quickly.

Second, we need to have a clear service and program delivery model. The process needs to be transparent, not only for us, but also for our partners.

Third and finally, it is important for us, at Indigenous Services Canada, to be innovative in how we partner with communities. It's about more than providing service that meets quality standards. It's also about informing communities and working with them to determine what their needs are and how we can achieve long-term benefits.

I'm going to ask my colleague to provide some more examples.

5:30 p.m.

Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Indigenous Services

Michelle Kovacevic

We've already talked about the measures we've taken to address drinking water.

In terms of nursing services, we've raised nurses' salaries to make it easier to recruit nurses. Recruitment is always challenging, especially in remote areas.

In addition to our nurse recruitment efforts, we've put in place a strategy to recruit other professionals to serve communities, including social workers.

Ginette Lavack Liberal St. Boniface—St. Vital, MB

As you mentioned, first nations, Inuit and Métis communities have needs in a wide range of areas: health care, housing, infrastructure, public safety and even education.

Can you explain why it is so important for all federal departments to shoulder their share of the responsibility and how interdepartmental co-operation produces better results on the ground?

Mandy Gull-Masty Liberal Abitibi—Baie-James—Nunavik—Eeyou, QC

It's so important because it has to be done now. It's 2025, and it's essential that the government provide fair and equitable services to everyone, whether they are indigenous, Métis, Inuit, Canadian or Quebecker. The government has to provide services that recognize the importance of equality.

That is one of the major elements I need to see in the work of not just my department, but also my colleagues. The Prime Minister decided to move in that direction by appointing an indigenous person to head the department. To me, that shows a genuine desire to do things differently and take a new approach, so that we are more in touch with communities and their needs. That work falls to me and my fellow ministers, Ms. Alty and Ms. Chartrand, yes, but it also falls to the government as a whole. That is truly how we will get to a place of reconciliation.

The Chair Liberal Terry Sheehan

Thank you.

As agreed upon by the committee, Lori, you have five minutes, please.

Lori Idlout NDP Nunavut, NU

Qujannamiik.

Thank you.

Minister, when your predecessor for ISC—Patty Hajdu at the time—decided politically and without evidence to suddenly cut the hamlet food voucher program of the Inuit child first initiative, some of the language that she used to explain why you've used yourself: to say that it's because some people were taking advantage of the program.

I think what you need to realize is that the people who were taking advantage of the program are people in poverty and people who don't have many opportunities for employment. I've done an Order Paper question regarding the food voucher program and have learned what the totals for Nunavut were. It's estimated that it helped about 15,000 Inuit children. That's a lot for Nunavut.

When we calculated the overall amount, that figure came to about $18 per day per child. That's not a lot of money, I don't think, to help people in poverty. That program was so helpful to Inuit families, and when it was suddenly cut, they didn't understand why. Then, for this government to say that people were taking advantage of it.... It just tugs at my heart when you say that.

When all of a sudden Inuit families had to do a lot more paperwork with the changes, it meant, for example, that a single Inuk mother of seven children had to do tons of paperwork to try to access that program only to be denied, most likely. Even though she's a single mother of seven with no job, for some reason she was not eligible for the program.

In addition, her story is not unique. Nunavut has a poverty rate of 42%. Nunavut has an unemployment rate of 13.2%. When we're thinking of the backlog for indigenous peoples across Canada, we know, for example, that it's been reported for Jordan's principle cases that the backlog is at about 140,000 cases. That is a lot of children and that is a lot of indigenous children's families who are being left in limbo because ISC can't decide if those children's treatments deserve to be paid for.

This is why we're so passionate about making sure, for example, that there are no cuts to Indigenous Services Canada, that there are no cuts to the Inuit child first initiative and that there are no cuts to Jordan's principle.

When you're celebrating your successes because of what was reported in the Auditor General's report, please remember those stories: those families who can't feed their children, those families who can't get medical care and those children who, in the Department of Education, can't get better equipment so that they can learn better.

You need to make sure that you're a bit more careful when you're talking about what successes are.

In the 10 years before the Liberals came in and the current 10 years while the Liberals have been here, what first nations, Métis and Inuit have experienced are constant cuts every year, cuts to these programs that indigenous people rely on. I need to remind you that indigenous people, because of the way that systems have worked, are forced to rely on federal programs. We are forced to take, because there are no other employment opportunities.

Especially in Nunavut, where all the communities are fly-in communities, there's no screening available for children to get their screening in schools in the community. They have to be flown out. To see cuts being made to the non-insured health benefits program is also a concern.

We have all these major issues and we need to have you here to say you will commit to making sure there are no cuts.

Indeed, the national indigenous organizations in their pre-budget submissions were calling for more funds, and they were also ignored.

Could you respond to some of these national indigenous organizations? Why were you okay with the cuts that were made, when they were calling for more funding for programs and infrastructure?

The Chair Liberal Terry Sheehan

Lori, that brings you to well over the five minutes. Perhaps the minister could respond to you in writing as the time has expired. There was quite a list there to respond to.

Thank you very much, everyone, for your time here today.

I truly appreciate it, Minister. Thank you for your time.

I'm just looking at the members. Do we have consensus to finish the meeting?

Some hon. members

Agreed.

The Chair Liberal Terry Sheehan

Thank you. Chi-meegwetch.