Evidence of meeting #111 for Natural Resources in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was forests.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

David MacLean  Emeritus Professor, University of New Brunswick, As an Individual
Gail Wallin  Chair, Canadian Council on Invasive Species
Alex Chubaty  Spatial Modelling Coordinator, fRI Research, Healthy Landscapes Program, As an Individual

11:50 a.m.

Chair, Canadian Council on Invasive Species

Gail Wallin

There are two gypsy moths of particular concern. The European gypsy moth has been eradicated, led by the provincial government. That's been effective for 20 years or so. Every year they take action, and this year it involved a lot of work on Vancouver Island that was new. They lead that.

The Asian gypsy moth is a regulated species, and that program is lead by CFIA. Our organization has not been involved with that because those two species are being.... The Asian gypsy moth is regulated as not in Canada right now. It was found in Toronto and has been removed. We're considered free of it right now.

Where our organization would be involved, related to using the gypsy moth solely as an example, is calling on.... One of the roles for the federal government is to try to keep out the Asian gypsy moth, the pink gypsy moth and keep more moths from coming in. We have examples of the Asian gypsy moths coming in on container ships. The federal government only does a certain percentage of inspections on container ships, and when you find it on 3% or 5% of the ships you inspect, you know you've missed a lot of them, and that's where it's coming in.

Again, we advise closing that border so we don't get those moths in.

11:50 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Thanks.

Ms. Wallin, if you think that gypsy moths have been eliminated in Ontario, I'd invite you to come sit in my backyard in July.

11:50 a.m.

Chair, Canadian Council on Invasive Species

Gail Wallin

The European gypsy moth you have established here in the east in spades. You don't have the Asian gypsy moth yet, nor do you want it. I think it's the European one you've got in spades out here.

I'm going to have to watch my wording here.

11:50 a.m.

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11:50 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Mr. Tan.

October 4th, 2018 / 11:50 a.m.

Liberal

Geng Tan Liberal Don Valley North, ON

Dr. MacLean, I want to ask a question about pest management.

You just mentioned that a private owner can choose to opt out of any management plan or early intervention strategy. It is my understanding that the responsibility of forest pest management in Canada depends on the nature of the pest and the location of the outbreaks.

Does forest ownership alone determine this responsibility? If so, are the federal, provincial or municipal governments responsible for pest management within their specific jurisdictions? What about private forest owners? Maybe they are responsible for their own forest. As mentioned, what if they are not happy with somebody and they just stand there and watch the forest pests spread into other areas?

11:55 a.m.

Prof. David MacLean

It depends on the pest, on the insect, I guess. If it's an invasive insect, then there are roles for the Canadian Food Inspection Agency and Natural Resources Canada. If it's a native insect in the forest, there's probably a provincial government role, largely, in determining what's done with it. If it's within a municipality, there's a strong municipal role.

I was discussing the specific case of the spruce budworm and our early intervention research project. In the past, if it was spraying insecticide to try to keep trees alive in a reactive mode, it probably would be concentrated largely on Crown land, provincial Crown land and on industrial land and less so on private woodlots, but maybe somewhat on that. It depends on the insect.

11:55 a.m.

Liberal

Geng Tan Liberal Don Valley North, ON

This is an extreme example, but what if I own my land or my forest and tell the provincial government to just stay away from my land?

11:55 a.m.

Prof. David MacLean

In the New Brunswick situation and under New Brunswick regulations, you're allowed to do that, and the government cannot oversee that.

I teach fire management in one of my undergrad courses, and I always hold up the example of the State of Florida. The state has the ability to go onto private land and do prescribed burning in order to control fuels on it. That is pretty extreme from the standpoint of Canadian private ownership rights.

11:55 a.m.

Liberal

Geng Tan Liberal Don Valley North, ON

Thank you.

Ms. Wallin, this is just for my curiosity. I asked the question about invasive species a few days ago to another witness, but I don't think I got a good answer, so I want to ask you.

Can you share with us one or two good, successful examples where those invasive species were effectively destroyed or controlled within their area?

11:55 a.m.

Chair, Canadian Council on Invasive Species

Gail Wallin

I think a success is the Asian gypsy moth, which we've actually been able to eradicate from Canada. It's been detected in Canada. It's been detected in B.C. and Ontario. It was detected in the Toronto area. However, with federal and provincial governments working together, that's been eradicated. So, there's a moth that didn't become the European gypsy moth that we do have in the east.

Another success story around gypsy moths—there are a lot of other examples—is the European gypsy moth in B.C. because who would have ever thought...? Twenty years ago, they used to spray with D6 over whole big swaths of areas. There was a reaction on Vancouver Island this year when they went to spray because it's aerial spraying. However, the provincial government has sprayed for years, and we do not have established European gypsy moths in B.C.

Those are success stories, and I think we have to build on those successes because keeping them out is by far the best step rather than chasing them.

11:55 a.m.

Liberal

Geng Tan Liberal Don Valley North, ON

It's very good to hear this success story.

How much damage has the gypsy moth caused to the forest compared with other native or invasive species?

11:55 a.m.

Chair, Canadian Council on Invasive Species

Gail Wallin

I didn't come prepped with those numbers. The European gypsy moth established in Ontario has caused major economic damage, which is why the B.C. government's fighting hard against it. In comparison, the European and the Asian gypsy moths—and remember on the back door is the pink gypsy moth also—target a lot of the economic tree species, so they will have the biggest impact. What's different about those species versus things like spruce budworm or mountain pine beetle is that, historically, in a well-managed forest, they wouldn't have as big a high cycle as the one we're hitting right now. When the European gypsy moth, or whatever, comes in, it doesn't have any natural predators, so that's why we're always concerned about it. It's not the next mountain pine beetle of the west.

Noon

Liberal

Geng Tan Liberal Don Valley North, ON

I note that in addition to NRCan there are also other government agencies. There's the Canadian Food Inspection Agency, the Canada Border Services Agency, Health Canada and so on. How well do these agencies or departments communicate with each other?

Noon

Chair, Canadian Council on Invasive Species

Gail Wallin

There needs to be more done, but there definitely is, within governments now, the FPT—federal, provincial, territorial—model around invasive species, around the forest pest working group. There needs to be more, and there needs to be more collaboration with outside organizations. Even though we don't have authority and responsibilities, we do have the ability to be complementary and really help. It's great to have that because we didn't have that 10 years ago, but we need more.

Noon

Liberal

Geng Tan Liberal Don Valley North, ON

Who's overseeing this FPT model?

Noon

Chair, Canadian Council on Invasive Species

Gail Wallin

The national invasive species committee is chaired by Environment and Climate Change Canada with a province. The forest pest working group is chaired by NRCan, and I think it's with a province, but I'm not positive on that. Those are two models. The forest pest working group, which is specific.... Probably most provinces are involved; some of them are more involved than others.

Noon

Liberal

Geng Tan Liberal Don Valley North, ON

So, there's still a need for NRCan and Environment and Climate Change Canada to work together, to share their information.

Noon

Chair, Canadian Council on Invasive Species

Gail Wallin

Absolutely, along with CFIA. However, the big player that's probably silent on that list that we just talked about is the Canada Border Services Agency. It's the one that needs to stop them at the border.

Noon

Liberal

Geng Tan Liberal Don Valley North, ON

Thank you.

Noon

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

That's all the time we have for this hour. I appreciate your taking the time to join us today and provide very valuable information for our study.

We will suspend for five minutes or less.

12:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

We're going to get under way again here.

Mr. Chubaty, thank you very much for joining us today from Yellowknife. We are about to start an hour of evidence with you as our witness.

Members, I am asking for your consent. I understand our witness has one image that he'd like to use. It's in English only and it will be translated later. After the fact, we'll get it in French.

Does everybody agree?

12:05 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

12:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Mr. Chubaty, the floor is yours.

12:10 p.m.

Alex Chubaty Spatial Modelling Coordinator, fRI Research, Healthy Landscapes Program, As an Individual

Good afternoon.

Since the late 1990s over 18 million hectares of pine forests have been killed by mountain pine beetle in British Columbia. Beetles from these high-density populations in B.C. have expanded eastward and northward, over the Rocky Mountains and into Alberta, into forests that have not historically had mountain pine beetles. You can see from the figure I've provided here. This is an overview map of the three western provinces, so B.C., Alberta and part of Saskatchewan. The yellow, orange and red colours show the damage done by mountain pine beetle. You can see that it's primarily focused in British Columbia, with some substantial damage in the western portion of Alberta. In the green, you will see the availability and the distribution of pine. This is Jack pine, lodgepole pine and hybrid lodgepole and Jack pine that makes up the B.C./Alberta forests, and the Jack pine continues eastward into Saskatchewan.

Also on that figure you'll see a red line that cuts through Alberta. That is the leading edge of the mountain pine beetle invasion as of about 2012. This is fairly similar to what that leading edge looks like today. It has shifted a little bit, but this gives you a good understanding of the current situation.

This range expansion of the mountain pine beetle threatens the Jack pine ecosystems of Alberta's eastern boreal forest and it definitely has the potential to continue its eruptive spread through Saskatchewan and beyond.

The principal drivers of this outbreak have been two major factors. The first is a warming climate. We have less harsh winters, fewer stretches of below -35o or -40o Celsius, which is needed to kill those beetles over the winter. The other part of that related to climate is that those trees become very water-stressed during the summer, which makes them susceptible to beetle. There's also more development time during the summer months and into the fall, which allows those beetles to make it through the developmental stage they need in order to survive the winters.

The second principal driver of mountain pine beetle expansion is the abundance of mature pine on the landscape. A big part of that has been management decisions, and in particular fire suppression, which has allowed these stands to mature, and we have uniform-age pine stands across much of this region.

What can we do about pine beetle? Well, Alberta does conduct extensive aerial surveys annually to monitor and detect eruptions. They also engage in direct control, which is aimed at manipulating beetle populations to try to reduce them so they become more manageable. There are also indirect control measures, which are aimed at reducing the number of susceptible host trees on the landscape.

These strategies, as part of a data-driven management policy, can work to reduce the levels of tree mortality due to mountain pine beetle down to acceptable levels, but these methods will not necessarily suppress or eliminate the outbreak. They can, though, be effective at slowing the spread of this species.

We do know from work in British Columbia and Alberta that beetle suppression treatments are density-dependent. That means that in areas with very high beetle populations, it is much more difficult to get effective control and to have a meaningful impact. These are the areas obviously in British Columbia but also in the western portion of the province of Alberta, which I'll refer to as the “hind-flank region”. Along the leading edge, which again is that red line in the figure there, beetle densities are much lower, the pine densities are also a bit lower, and that makes it lot easier and a lot more effective to take control measures in that region.

Alberta has been very effective at aggressively monitoring and controlling for mountain pine beetle, not only throughout the province but also with monitoring into Saskatchewan. They have taken a zoned approach, so they are treating the populations in the hind flank differently from the populations that are along that leading edge, and that has shown to be a very effective strategy.

They are monitoring beyond the leading edge, eastward and northward, and they're doing active suppression along that leading edge zone where the density of beetles is much lower. They've shifted to mitigation and adaptation strategies in the hind flank regions.

The work of Dr. Allan Carroll of the University of British Columbia has shown the efficacy of Alberta's strategy. We see approximately two-thirds of the new green attack being identified by these aerial surveys, and about two-thirds of those identified attacks are then controlled and those trees are removed and destroyed. That has led to approximately 40% to 44% reduction in the infested pine on the landscape.

However, Alberta's financial resources are currently constrained for resources for their operational costs in order to support and maintain such an aggressive management strategy.

My recommendations here for the federal government are to, first, continue this approach that Alberta and Saskatchewan have collaborated on to slow and contain the spread of the mountain pine beetle. The goal here would be containment rather than total suppression of the population because the numbers are just too high in the western portion of the region for total suppression to be likely or feasible.

Alberta's data-driven approach aligns very well with an adaptive management framework, which takes an iterative approach to decision-making. We take management actions, we evaluate those outcomes, and we tweak the formula as we go. This sort of process repeats itself and has proven to be very effective in Alberta. This really is the best way to deal with the uncertainties associated with the spread of the beetle and it is likely a useful strategy for other forest pests as well.

We have an opportunity here to operate in a reactive capacity, as we have been doing, responding to outbreaks as they occur, but we also have an opportunity to be proactive in order to watch for new outbreaks as they occur—so monitor along the leading edge and beyond—and then also to suppress flare-ups as they happen. It may be possible to do some indirect control to try to reduce the amount of susceptible pine that is on the landscape.

The second recommendation that I have here is to develop a national plan to coordinate the effort for controlling the eastward and northward spread of pine beetle. This strategy needs to be flexible, following that adaptive management approach I have described. I believe the federal government should be contributing an operational cost to the Alberta and Saskatchewan initiative.

I also believe we need to see increased engagement and integration from researchers from all different disciplines and stripes from within the government as well as with universities and other researchers. There is a lot of untapped potential here. Not all of those researchers and agencies have been at the table discussing these options and it's really important that we facilitate and support an integrated systems approach. By that I mean that we look to experts in the fields of insect biology, fire ecology, vegetation, carbon, wildlife, economists, etc.

What we really need to be doing as we move forward to help build the resilience of our forests is to have an integrated approach and an integrated pest management strategy.

The mountain pine beetle is the canary in the coal mine for a lot of other forest pests, but we have a leg up in this particular battle because of the extensive history with the beetle in B.C., and now in Alberta, and we have effective control measures.

We definitely can find a way forward and I believe that Canada has an opportunity to become a world leader in eruptive forest pest management, one that promotes a resilient forest in the long term.

Thank you.