Evidence of meeting #55 for Public Accounts in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was contracts.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

David Smith  As an Individual
Dominic Crupi  As an Individual
Frank Brazeau  As an Individual
David Marshall  Deputy Minister, Public Works and Government Services Canada
Shahid Minto  Chief Risk Officer, Public Works and Government Services Canada
Greg McEvoy  Associate Partner, KPMG
Commissioner Paul Gauvin  Deputy Commissioner, Corporate Management and Comptrollership, Royal Canadian Mounted Police

6:15 p.m.

Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal York West, ON

When did you start back working for the government?

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As an Individual

Dominic Crupi

It was in April of this year.

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Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal York West, ON

It was in April of this year.

Given all of the questions--

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As an Individual

Dominic Crupi

That's when I started working for the government. I did a small contract the year before, but April of this year is when I started working as a term or casual employee.

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Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal York West, ON

Did you have any letters of recommendation from the RCMP in your files?

I'm just surprised that you—

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As an Individual

Dominic Crupi

I didn't get.... I did not ask for letters of recommendation from the RCMP.

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Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal York West, ON

There were no questions asked when you were hired to--

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As an Individual

Dominic Crupi

I divulged everything. I divulged everything. I divulged the investigations. I divulged the audit. I divulged the Auditor General's report. I divulged everything that I knew. It was fully put on the table, and they did their security process after that.

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Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal York West, ON

To whom did you divulge all of that?

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As an Individual

Dominic Crupi

It was to the security individuals at CSE.

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Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal York West, ON

They really did a thorough job.

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As an Individual

Dominic Crupi

Well, they would do a thorough job. If you saw their security process, you would see the thorough job they did, their global risk assessment on top of other things they've done. I would really ask you to look into their security process.

6:15 p.m.

Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal York West, ON

It's quite amazing how you've managed to do all of this.

Mr. Brazeau, my understanding in reading the KPMG report was that you did not cooperate with them. What are your feelings on that? You clearly didn't want to cooperate with them. You felt it was not fair and it was biased and so on and so forth. Would you elaborate on all of that?

6:15 p.m.

As an Individual

Frank Brazeau

I didn't agree with their findings and conclusions. I also didn't agree with the process that was taken.

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Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal York West, ON

Were you ever given a chance to discuss the various ways in which contracts were being issued?

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As an Individual

Frank Brazeau

I was given a chance to be interviewed by KPMG, but I have to wait until the appropriate setting for that. This is not the forum where I will be defending my actions.

I'm going through the grievance process with the Public Service Labour Relations Board to get fully reinstated. I thought we had an agreement on the table with Public Works, and the day after the government called the new probe on the pension, it was taken away from the table.

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Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal York West, ON

So the process is now that you're grieving the report.

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As an Individual

Frank Brazeau

No, I'm not grieving the report. I'm grieving what happened to me: I've been fired.

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Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal York West, ON

Yes, and now a fair amount of time has passed.

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As an Individual

Frank Brazeau

Thirty-two months.

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Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal York West, ON

Have you been 32 months without employment?

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As an Individual

Frank Brazeau

No. I found work in the private sector, and for the last two weeks I've been back in government as a term employee.

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Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal York West, ON

As a term employee. At what point will you be commenting on this report?

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As an Individual

Frank Brazeau

Once I get to the grievance process or a court. That's the appropriate forum for me.

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Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal York West, ON

It seems like a very difficult thing for you to have to go 32 months looking for an opportunity to get to your own side of this issue.