Evidence of meeting #66 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Sandro Giammaria  Counsel, Department of Justice
Phaedra Glushek  Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
Rachel Mainville-Dale  Acting Director General, Firearms Policy, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
Kellie Paquette  Director General, Canadian Firearms Program, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Philippe Méla  Legislative Clerk
Rob Mackinnon  Director, Canadian Firearms Program, Royal Canadian Mounted Police

10:05 p.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB

Could we have a recorded division?

(Amendment agreed to: yeas 10; nays 0 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

As spoken

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

That finishes new clause 21.1.

We can go ahead with clause 22, but since Madam Michaud had to step out, I think it's a good time for a break. We've had two hours since our last break.

The meeting will suspend for 10 minutes.

As spoken

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

I call the meeting back to order. The break is over.

(On clause 22)

We are at clause 22 unamended.

As spoken

10:30 p.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB

Mr. Chair, can I ask some questions on clause 22?

As spoken

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Yes, Mr. Lloyd. Go ahead.

As spoken

10:30 p.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB

Just for the officials here, with respect to all of these amendments we have been dealing with on this, we assume they are going to have a public safety impact, but what is the sort of evidence you have seen, as experts in your own fields? We already have existing laws dealing with a lot of these things. How is passing this going to improve public safety?

Can you tell me what tangible impacts this will have?

As spoken

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

I think that is beyond the scope of what the witnesses can speak to.

As spoken

10:30 p.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB

I see.

As spoken

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Clause 22 has no amendments on it. We are on clause 22. You can continue if you wish.

As spoken

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

Did amendments BQ-8 and G-42 not pass?

Oh, we are on the new one. I am sorry, Chair.

As spoken

10:30 p.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB

Okay. Thank you.

As spoken

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

If officials wish to speak to any of this stuff, they are certainly welcome to do so, but I think we have to be aware of the limitations of what they can and can't speak to.

Shall clause 22 carry?

As spoken

10:30 p.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB

Could we have a recorded vote?

As spoken

10:30 p.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB

Yes.

(Clause 22 agreed to: yeas 7; nays 4)

As spoken

Kristina Michaud Bloc Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC

I'd like to raise a point of order, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Go ahead, Ms. Michaud.

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Kristina Michaud Bloc Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC

I just have a question. I noticed that Ms. Block's camera was turned off when she voted. Is that acceptable under our rules for hybrid sessions in Parliament?

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The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

In principle, you should have a camera on. However, we do have times when there are communications issues and so forth, and we have to have the thing off.

I certainly recognize Ms. Block's voice.

As spoken

A voice

It's a deep fake.

As spoken

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

That's not this committee.

As spoken

10:30 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Aren't we the public safety committee? Shouldn't we be sensitive to these sorts of things?

As spoken

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Indeed. Do you wish to have Ms. Block vote again?

As spoken

Kristina Michaud Bloc Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC

She turned her camera on, so I can see that it is, indeed, her.

Thank you.

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10:30 p.m.

Conservative

Kelly Block Conservative Carlton Trail—Eagle Creek, SK

Do you want me to vote again?

As spoken

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Sure, go ahead.

As spoken