Evidence of meeting #66 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Sandro Giammaria  Counsel, Department of Justice
Phaedra Glushek  Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
Rachel Mainville-Dale  Acting Director General, Firearms Policy, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
Kellie Paquette  Director General, Canadian Firearms Program, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Philippe Méla  Legislative Clerk
Rob Mackinnon  Director, Canadian Firearms Program, Royal Canadian Mounted Police

7:25 p.m.

Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

Phaedra Glushek

That's correct.

7:25 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON

Thank you.

Those are my questions. I appreciate it.

7:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Are there any further interventions?

Seeing none, I suggest we conduct a recorded vote.

(Amendment agreed to: yeas 11 ; nays 0) [See Minutes of Proceedings]

At breakneck speed, let us carry on with G‑39. It's again in the name of Mr. Noormohamed

Ms. Damoff, please go ahead.

7:25 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

Once again, and we're almost to the end of these coordinating amendments, it's adding two words, “firearm part”, to the Criminal Code.

7:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Thank you, Ms. Damoff.

Mr. Motz, I believe you wish to speak.

7:25 p.m.

Conservative

Glen Motz Conservative Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB

Can the officials tell me the difference from this particular amendment and what it pertains to specifically on a form 32, in new subclause 13.1(1), paragraph (c), and then the paragraph (c) below, where it talks about “sections 83.3, 810, 810.01”, all the 810s? How does this particular amendment affect that?

I take it that's a condition. I think form 32 lists out, when you release somebody, all the conditions they're under. Am I correct?

7:25 p.m.

Counsel, Department of Justice

Sandro Giammaria

It's not with respect to release, but with respect to recognizance, right? Form 32s are the template document for a variety of recogs that can be issued. They're listed in the code.

I should add that all of these forms are included in the Criminal Code. They're used across the board in every jurisdiction.

7:25 p.m.

Conservative

Glen Motz Conservative Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB

It's been a long time since I've actually had to complete one.

7:25 p.m.

Counsel, Department of Justice

Sandro Giammaria

I won't read them out unless asked, but there's sort of a laundry list of all of the sections for which form 32 applies. This amendment would add “firearm part” to recogs that are issued under those sections.

7:25 p.m.

Conservative

Glen Motz Conservative Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB

Thank you very much.

7:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Mr. Martel, please go ahead.

May 10th, 2023 / 7:25 p.m.

Conservative

Richard Martel Conservative Chicoutimi—Le Fjord, QC

Thank you.

I would just like to verify something. In your opinion, does the translation “s’abstenir de posséder une arme à feu” accurately reflect this amendment?

7:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Again, I would caution that the officials aren't here to give opinions but to advise on the technical aspects of the bill.

7:30 p.m.

Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

Phaedra Glushek

As I mentioned previously, the wording in this paragraph is the same as the one found in the current Criminal Code. We simply added, “pièces d’armes à feu” to the seventh line. That’s the only change brought to the French version. We also added, “firearm part” to the English version.

7:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Mr. Lawrence.

7:30 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON

Mr. Chair, once again, thank you for having me as a guest to this committee.

I think I'm following, but please correct me if I'm missing something. The section that is being amended in proposed clause 13.1 is paragraph (c) of form 32, which would be the list of conditions attached to a requisition or order. We're updating this to include part of a firearm based on a recommendation that we heard from the committee. Do I have that correct?

7:30 p.m.

Counsel, Department of Justice

7:30 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON

What would be the impact if this amendment didn't pass?

7:30 p.m.

Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

Phaedra Glushek

Similarly to an answer to an earlier question, there would be an inconsistency in the Criminal Code with respect to the forms and other provisions.

Five or six provisions in the Criminal Code would say “firearm part”, and this would not.

It's a flag to people using the form or individuals using the form to use this as a model, and it would be an inconsistency between the provision and the form itself. This amends a form, not the actual provision in the Criminal Code, so it's reflective of that section in the code.

7:30 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON

Thank you very much for your patience here. I apologize.

Could you also tell me the substance of the provisions in the Criminal Code to which this form is attached?

7:30 p.m.

Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

Phaedra Glushek

Sure, there are about 10 of them. Do you want all of the provisions?

7:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

It's whatever you can do in 30 seconds.

7:30 p.m.

Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

Phaedra Glushek

It's section 2, section 462.34, section 490.9, section 550, section 683, sections 706 and 707, section 779; and the peace bond sections, section 810, 810.01, 810.1, 810.2, 817 and 832. It's those sections.

7:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Thank you, Mr. Lawrence.

7:30 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON

Thank you.