Public Safety Committee on May 10th, 2023

[Dane Lloyd, Conservative, Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB]

Could we have a recorded division?

(Amendment agreed to: yeas 10; nays 0 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

That finishes new clause 21.1.

We can go ahead with clause 22, but since Madam Michaud had to step out, I think it's a good time for a break. We've had two hours since our last break.

The meeting will suspend for 10 minutes.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

I call the meeting back to order. The break is over.

(On clause 22)

We are at clause 22 unamended.

[Dane Lloyd, Conservative, Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB]

Mr. Chair, can I ask some questions on clause 22?

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

Yes, Mr. Lloyd. Go ahead.

[Dane Lloyd, Conservative, Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB]

Just for the officials here, with respect to all of these amendments we have been dealing with on this, we assume they are going to have a public safety impact, but what is the sort of evidence you have seen, as experts in your own fields? We already have existing laws dealing with a lot of these things. How is passing this going to improve public safety?

Can you tell me what tangible impacts this will have?

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

I think that is beyond the scope of what the witnesses can speak to.

[Dane Lloyd, Conservative, Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB]

I see.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

Clause 22 has no amendments on it. We are on clause 22. You can continue if you wish.

[Pam Damoff, Liberal, Oakville North—Burlington, ON]

Did amendments BQ-8 and G-42 not pass?

Oh, we are on the new one. I am sorry, Chair.

[Dane Lloyd, Conservative, Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB]

Okay. Thank you.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

If officials wish to speak to any of this stuff, they are certainly welcome to do so, but I think we have to be aware of the limitations of what they can and can't speak to.

Shall clause 22 carry?

[Dane Lloyd, Conservative, Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB]

Could we have a recorded vote?

[Dane Lloyd, Conservative, Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB]

Yes.

(Clause 22 agreed to: yeas 7; nays 4)

[Kristina Michaud, Bloc, Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC]

I'd like to raise a point of order, Mr. Chair.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

Go ahead, Ms. Michaud.

[Kristina Michaud, Bloc, Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC]

I just have a question. I noticed that Ms. Block's camera was turned off when she voted. Is that acceptable under our rules for hybrid sessions in Parliament?

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

In principle, you should have a camera on. However, we do have times when there are communications issues and so forth, and we have to have the thing off.

I certainly recognize Ms. Block's voice.

[A voice]

It's a deep fake.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

That's not this committee.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Aren't we the public safety committee? Shouldn't we be sensitive to these sorts of things?

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

Indeed. Do you wish to have Ms. Block vote again?

[Kristina Michaud, Bloc, Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC]

She turned her camera on, so I can see that it is, indeed, her.

Thank you.

[Kelly Block, Conservative, Carlton Trail—Eagle Creek, SK]

Do you want me to vote again?

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

Sure, go ahead.