Environment Committee on Dec. 1st, 2025

[Julie Dabrusin, Liberal, Toronto—Danforth, ON]

The consultations are a really important piece. When we engage in consultations we continue to put them out publicly and make sure that we get that consultation in.

I'm going to have to answer that in my next question, apparently.

[The Chair, Liberal, Angelo Iacono]

Thank you.

Mr. Bonin, you have the floor for two and a half minutes.

[Patrick Bonin, Bloc, Repentigny, QC]

Madam Minister, your colleague, who was minister of Canadian Heritage and minister of Environment and Climate Change, said that if we're honest with Canadians, we can no longer meet our 2030 climate targets.

Do you consider that Mr. Guilbeault is being dishonest in saying that?

[The Chair, Liberal, Angelo Iacono]

Just a moment, please, Mr. Bonin. I'm told that the interpretation isn't working. We're going to check.

Perfect. The interpretation is working.

Mr. Bonin, you can start from the top. I'll reset the clock.

[Patrick Bonin, Bloc, Repentigny, QC]

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Minister, Mr. Guilbeault, who was Minister of Canadian Heritage, said that if we're honest with Canadians, we can no longer meet our 2030 climate targets. Do you consider that he's being dishonest when he says that?

[Julie Dabrusin, Liberal, Toronto—Danforth, ON]

I was Mr. Guilbeault's parliamentary secretary for six years, when he was minister of Canadian heritage and minister of environment and climate change.

I just wanted to say that I will never say that he is dishonest. I have a lot of respect for him, but I don't agree with him, because I think we can continue to do this work.

[Patrick Bonin, Bloc, Repentigny, QC]

So you're saying that you're going to meet your 2030 targets, but Mr. Guilbeault said that, since Mr. Carney came to power, so since you've been Minister of Environment and Climate Change, there have been setbacks in terms of meeting Canada's greenhouse gas reduction target.

Do you agree with him that Canada is falling behind on its 2030 greenhouse gas reduction target, yes or no?

[Julie Dabrusin, Liberal, Toronto—Danforth, ON]

I would say two things.

First of all, he was the minister of environment and climate change before me, under the government of Prime Minister Carney—

[Patrick Bonin, Bloc, Repentigny, QC]

Minister, give a yes or no answer. I don't have much time. I have a minute and a half.

[Julie Dabrusin, Liberal, Toronto—Danforth, ON]

The other thing I would say is that—

[Patrick Bonin, Bloc, Repentigny, QC]

Is Canada falling behind on its 2030 greenhouse gas reduction target?

[Julie Dabrusin, Liberal, Toronto—Danforth, ON]

No.

[Patrick Bonin, Bloc, Repentigny, QC]

You're not backing down, so you don't agree with Mr. Guilbeault on that, do you?

[Julie Dabrusin, Liberal, Toronto—Danforth, ON]

No, I don't agree with him. I think we do things differently. We're trying to work with the provinces—

[Patrick Bonin, Bloc, Repentigny, QC]

You said no. Thank you. I got an answer.

The Parliamentary Budget Officer says that Canada is falling behind the target. Are you still saying that Canada isn't falling behind the target?

[Julie Dabrusin, Liberal, Toronto—Danforth, ON]

What he also said was that he didn't include the climate competitiveness strategy in his report. Do we have a lot of work to do to continue on this path? Absolutely.

I'm not saying it's easy. What I'm saying is that we—

[Patrick Bonin, Bloc, Repentigny, QC]

You're talking about your strategy. So you don't agree with the Parliamentary Budget Officer either.

[Julie Dabrusin, Liberal, Toronto—Danforth, ON]

No, that's not what I said.

[Patrick Bonin, Bloc, Repentigny, QC]

The commissioner of the environment and sustainable development said just recently that Canada is falling behind. Do you disagree with him, as well?

[Julie Dabrusin, Liberal, Toronto—Danforth, ON]

First of all, what I said is that the—

I'm sorry.

The Parliamentary Budget Officer

did not include the new measures proposed in the climate competitiveness strategy. He said so himself.

[Patrick Bonin, Bloc, Repentigny, QC]

Excuse me, Mr. Chair. The interpretation isn't working. I can't hear anything anymore.

[Julie Dabrusin, Liberal, Toronto—Danforth, ON]

What's going on?

[Patrick Bonin, Bloc, Repentigny, QC]

You were speaking English, and there was no interpretation. We're going to continue, but there was a moment when I couldn't hear anything.

When did you see the first version of the Canada-Alberta Agreement on French-Language Services?

[Julie Dabrusin, Liberal, Toronto—Danforth, ON]

So I have—

[Patrick Bonin, Bloc, Repentigny, QC]

Give me a date, Minister. When was that?