Evidence of meeting #18 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was schreiber.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Elmer MacKay  As an Individual
Karlheinz Schreiber  As an Individual

5 p.m.

Liberal

Charles Hubbard Liberal Miramichi, NB

For an individual, Mr. Schreiber, with such impeccable work that you have these great documents—

5 p.m.

As an Individual

5 p.m.

Liberal

Charles Hubbard Liberal Miramichi, NB

—why can't you document to our committee where all this money went?

5 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

Sir, this is so simple. All the documents are bank documents and they are all in the possession of the RCMP and of the German authorities. So there is no secret about where the money went.

The point, what you don't understand, is very simple. All the money was GCI money. That's number one. Then it was split with the Europeans and the Canadians, because the Europeans wanted something from the cake, and this involved some politicians in France and in Germany.

5 p.m.

Liberal

Charles Hubbard Liberal Miramichi, NB

I'm running out of time, but we were told this afternoon that Mr. MacKay lost $200,000 in one of your deals, with you.

5 p.m.

As an Individual

5 p.m.

Liberal

Charles Hubbard Liberal Miramichi, NB

Well, that's what he told us.

5 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

No, that's not what he said. He said he invested in a company in Seattle, and I did the same, and we both lost money there. It was not my company.

5 p.m.

Liberal

Charles Hubbard Liberal Miramichi, NB

No, but it was a deal that you had with him.

5 p.m.

As an Individual

5 p.m.

Liberal

Charles Hubbard Liberal Miramichi, NB

The two of you went in on a business arrangement—

5 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

No, he did the deal with a guy who was the big champion from Starbucks. You've got it wrong, sir, I apologize.

5 p.m.

Liberal

Charles Hubbard Liberal Miramichi, NB

You were not part of that same arrangement?

5 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

No, I was in the same position as he was. We both invested in that company.

5 p.m.

Liberal

Charles Hubbard Liberal Miramichi, NB

And you lost $200,000 too?

5 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

Yes. The company was Pallino, and the name was Harry Roberts. He was the one who did Starbucks with Howard Schultz.

5 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Mr. Tilson, please.

5 p.m.

Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

Mr. Pratte, who is Mr. Mulroney's lawyer, wrote the committee a letter dated February 22. You may or may not have seen that, but I'm going to read you a couple of things from it and ask for your comments.

He says, referring to Mr. Doucet's evidence:

...Mr. Mulroney presented Mr. Schreiber with a detailed oral briefing when they met in New York on December 8, 1994, in the presence of Mr. Doucet (a fact which Mr. Doucet confirmed when he testified before the Ethics Committee recently).

Do you have any comment on that?

5:05 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

Yes. I heard it—I saw it—on television.

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

Yes.

5:05 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

I heard that he was sitting for one and a half hours at the table and didn't know it was Mr. Mulroney I was talking about. That is what he said.

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

Well, I guess the question is, sir, do you agree that Mr. Mulroney gave you an oral briefing at that meeting?

5:05 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

Nothing at all. He had diarrhea, and when he got the money, he took the paper, and Doucet looked out of the window. He grabbed it and went to the washroom. So this is what it was.

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

So you disagree with that.

Mr. Pratte also says in the letter:

On at least two occasions Mr. Schreiber wrote Mr. Mulroney highly complimentary letters regarding his services and talents, copies of which have already been provided to the Ethics Committee.

Do you know anything about that?

5:05 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

Are you speaking about the letter I sent him after he attended the funeral of Ronald Reagan?