Evidence of meeting #18 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was schreiber.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

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Elmer MacKay  As an Individual
Karlheinz Schreiber  As an Individual

5:10 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

This is speculating.

5:10 p.m.

Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

You would have agreed on the amount at that time. I do not know why you would have agreed on $250,000—perhaps because it was half way between $225,000 and $300,000.

5:10 p.m.

As an Individual

5:10 p.m.

Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

Do you not agree that in this context, this document would make some sense?

5:10 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

Madam, I would love to satisfy you about Thyssen. I don't know what it is. I never saw this before I got it from this committee. I don't know what the $250,000 is. You have no signature from me. I refuse to backdate--

5:10 p.m.

Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

But this is your handwriting.

5:10 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

Because I brought this empty sheet. Yes, it could be that it was an empty piece of paper. I don't even know why you would have asked me about Bayerische Bitumen-Chemie in Germany.

5:10 p.m.

Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

But this is your handwriting.

5:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Thank you.

5:10 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

This is Bayerische Bitumen-Chemie, yes.

5:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Thank you, Mrs. Lavallée.

5:10 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

I think it is my handwriting, yes.

5:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Thank you.

Mr. Del Mastro, s'il vous plaît.

5:10 p.m.

Conservative

Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Mr. Schreiber, you told CBC Radio One on November 2, and I'm going to quote you: “...I have documents and very important information placed at the safe places, so if something really would happen to me, then it would be all disclosed.”

When you said “if something would happen to me”, were you referring to being deported to Germany?

5:10 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

No. I had undercover agents who wanted to put me in criminal activities to get me in jail. I had kidnapping attempts in Canada and in Germany, where the prosecutors negotiated in a pizzeria and they couldn't agree on the price.

As to the journalist, what you are referring to was, “Don't you fear that you could get assassinated with what you are doing?” And I said, “Well, in that case, I have the most important things somewhere else.” But this has nothing to do with Canada; it has something to do with Germany.

5:10 p.m.

Conservative

Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON

Okay. So far you've provided the committee with three binders full of information, largely sourced off the Internet. In fact, I've referred to it publicly as three binders full of junk mail.

5:15 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

It's up to you how you--

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON

The very important documents you talked to the CBC about, are they of material importance to this committee?

5:15 p.m.

As an Individual

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON

They are not relevant. Okay. You've already provided--

5:15 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

I learned very early it's a privilege of the ignorant to broadcast nonsense.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON

Good. I'll take that to.... I'll do something with that in the future, I'm sure.

Have you provided the committee with all the information you have relevant to the study that's at hand?

5:15 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

Yes. You may have noticed today that I said the account in Switzerland—and I noticed you guys haven't listened—was not for Beth Moores. It was for Bruce Verchere, and Bruce Verchere was a trustee for Mr. Mulroney. Are you with me? This is what it is, and the whole business in Ottawa was to get business done, get politics done, and make sure that when the business ended your friends participated and benefited from it. This is what it was, and it went from the government, two government, three governments, four governments, the Europeans involved, and the private collectors. This is what it was in Ottawa. And do you know what? Surprise, surprise, it was the same thing before this committee started.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON

Maybe you can help me. I'm curious about a question that was answered earlier. Who else attended the August meeting with you and Mr. Thibault?

5:15 p.m.

As an Individual