Evidence of meeting #18 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was schreiber.
A recording is available from Parliament.
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Conservative
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Conservative
Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON
What precipitated that? Did you just think he was a good guy to call, or how did that come about?
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As an Individual
I really have to think about how it happened. I think my lawyer in Toronto, Mr. Sennecke, was asked somehow by Mr. Thibault about any statements I had made, and my lawyer asked me whether I would agree to speak to Mr. Thibault. I said I would, whenever it would be possible.
5:15 p.m.
Conservative
Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON
Okay, so nobody else was there. Have you met with anybody else in any political parties?
5:15 p.m.
Conservative
Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON
A couple of very attractive waitresses....oh, nice. Mr. Thibault apparently has fine taste in restaurants.
Let's see. If you weren't satisfied with the work that Mr. Mulroney was doing on your behalf--
5:15 p.m.
Conservative
Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON
If you weren't satisfied with the work that Mr. Mulroney was doing on your behalf—and we are to understand that in New York he gave you a progress report on what he had been doing—why did you continue paying him? Why did you give him the third instalment of the money if you weren't satisfied that he was doing anything for you?
5:15 p.m.
As an Individual
At that time, at the beginning, I told you--I don't know whether I speak a language you don't understand--I had several reasons to help him. It was all about when I went to Harrington Lake he needed money, and I tried to find a way to give it to him, and this is what happened. If you would not do this for somebody who was involved in the reunification of your country and you thought you might participate with him, and you thought Kim Campbell would get the next government and we'd finally get the project done.... Instead of betraying a company like Thyssen in $40 million to $60 million.... We haven't spoken about this. Wait for the inquiry. What you are going to learn--you will be very surprised, I promise you.
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Liberal
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NDP
Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB
Thank you.
Good afternoon, Mr. Schreiber.
I wonder if you could clear up one thing you said. I think you misspoke when you said “my dinner with Mr. Martin”. I think you meant Mr. Thibault. You and I have never had dinner together.
5:15 p.m.
As an Individual
I cannot recall that I ever spoke about the dinner, but I learned from you in the paper that I called you all the time and you returned my calls. I don't know what that is all about.
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Some hon. members
Oh, oh!
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NDP
Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB
Yes. For the record, I returned your call once, and you called me many times, so this is true. This is accurate.
5:15 p.m.
As an Individual
No. The tape recorder was full. It was Christmas. There was no way to talk to you.
5:15 p.m.
NDP
Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB
This is true. My message box was full.
There are two elements to the Airbus case: the grease money up front and the illegal commissions on the back end. We have talked about the--
5:20 p.m.
NDP
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As an Individual
Excuse me. Every insurance company around the world--atomic commission in Canada--everybody takes a commission. Say “commission”, but don't say “illegal commission”.
5:20 p.m.
NDP
Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB
We're going to run out of time so quickly here. Let's talk about Bruce Verchere.
5:20 p.m.
NDP
Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB
That's the most interesting thing you've said today.
Fred Doucet. At one point I believe, through you, there were arrangements to send Brian's share to a lawyer in Geneva. That's what we were working on. Mr. Mulroney, of course, denies that he ever had a lawyer in Geneva or a representative there. But now you're saying the money possibly--I don't know if you know this for a fact--went to Bruce Verchere, a former Stikeman Elliott Lawyer, who left Stikeman Elliott and set up his own competing law and tax consulting practice in Montreal.
5:20 p.m.
NDP
Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB
Yes. What relationship, in your understanding, did he have with Mr. Mulroney? What did he handle for Mr. Mulroney?
