Evidence of meeting #18 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was schreiber.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Elmer MacKay  As an Individual
Karlheinz Schreiber  As an Individual

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As an Individual

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Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

Now he also states that your handwriting is on this document. Is your handwriting on this document?

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As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

It looks like it is my handwriting.

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Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

Is it your handwriting?

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As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

I cannot say for sure on this paper.

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Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

Do you recall having this meeting with Mr. Doucet?

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As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

Yes, and this is why it's all nonsense.

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Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

So you had the meeting with Mr. Doucet.

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As an Individual

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Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

Do you recall writing on this document?

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As an Individual

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Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

You said it looks like your handwriting. Let's presume it is your handwriting. This document states that the fee paid for these services--and I will get to those in a minute--was $250,000. The date on this document is February 4, 2000, which is long after the last payment you made to Mr. Mulroney, which you've said was December 8, 1994.

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As an Individual

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Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

So we have a document here that you saw, that you submitted to this committee and to a court, and you agree that it looks like it's your handwriting. It states that there's a $250,000 payment, but you've been telling us that you paid Brian Mulroney $300,000. There's a significant contradiction here. Perhaps you can--

4:50 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

No, no, excuse me, it's nonsense. First of all, I have seen only one document, which is this. Even if I had written on a piece of paper these two names--and I'll come to that in a minute--all the rest was done when I was not around.

The date is correct, February 4. All the rest was done by Fred Doucet. Not to make it too difficult for you here and take too much time, it's pure nonsense. Bayerische Bitumen-Chemie is the road construction company in Germany, which was sold in 2002, and--

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Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

Mr. Schreiber, I have a number of questions.

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As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

--Bitucan Calgary was sold in 1999. It didn't even exist.

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Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

Mr. Doucet acknowledged that he did not write everything on this document. He identified the stuff that you wrote.

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As an Individual

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Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

But you were present at the time with that writing on the page, were you not?

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As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

Well, if I had written this on this page, that would have been the only thing in handwriting on this page when I was around.

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Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

Okay.

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As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

And as I told you, it's nonsense, because the company he's talking about here was sold in 1995. Can you tell me what I would do with that in February 2000?

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Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

But you did see this document, you did write on it, and you did submit it to our committee as part of your affidavit to the Ontario Superior Court. So you must have some--

4:50 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

This one, no, no, no. This one, the empty one.