Information & Ethics Committee on Feb. 25th, 2008

[Russ Hiebert, Conservative, South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC]

Right, the blank one, I agree.

Let's talk about the contents of the version you submitted, the one without the handwriting. It states....

Actually, let's go back to a letter you wrote to our committee chair just a couple of weeks ago. I quote from the February 3 letter that you sent to our committee. It says, “I never hired Brian Mulroney to promote the TH495 Armoured Fighting Vehicle internationally.” That's what you wrote, that you never hired Brian Mulroney to promote this vehicle internationally.

[Karlheinz Schreiber]

Yes.

[Russ Hiebert, Conservative, South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC]

Yet the version of the document that you're familiar with and that you submitted states that the mandate of Mr. Mulroney includes, among other things, “travelling abroad to meet with government and private sector leaders to assist in opening new markets for our products...”.

[Karlheinz Schreiber]

But this is nonsense.

[Russ Hiebert, Conservative, South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC]

But I'm wanting to know the content—

[Karlheinz Schreiber]

He wanted me to sign this, and I didn't sign it. Don't you get that? Backbiting, stuff like this--am I out of my mind?

[Russ Hiebert, Conservative, South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC]

Mr. Schreiber, it appears that in some context you have confidence in this document, so much that you're willing to submit it to the committee and to the Ontario court.

[Karlheinz Schreiber]

Yes, it was a Christmas meeting where I called him at his home--“I am not going to commit perjury; tell this to your friend.” And then he came back with this funny document. Don't take it out of context.

[The Chair, Liberal, Paul Szabo]

Order, order.

Just for the benefit of the translation booth, it's very difficult when two people are talking at the same time. So I ask for your indulgence, gentlemen.

[Russ Hiebert, Conservative, South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC]

Okay. We'll keep it shorter.

Mr. Schreiber, an MP on this committee, Mr.Thibault, has openly admitted to meeting with you to discuss the information you have that might be helpful for our study. When and where did you first meet with Mr. Thibault?

[Karlheinz Schreiber]

Mr. Thibault?

[David Tilson, Conservative, Dufferin—Caledon, ON]

He's the good-looking one.

[Karlheinz Schreiber]

On top of this, he's from Nova Scotia, yes.

I don't recall when it was. Quite a while ago.

[Russ Hiebert, Conservative, South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC]

How long ago?

[Karlheinz Schreiber]

It must have been late summer or fall.

[Russ Hiebert, Conservative, South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC]

Of 2007?

[Karlheinz Schreiber]

Yes.

[Russ Hiebert, Conservative, South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC]

Late summer or fall. Can you narrow it down?

[Karlheinz Schreiber]

It was before I was at the detention centre. That's the only thing....

[Russ Hiebert, Conservative, South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC]

Are you saying August?

[Karlheinz Schreiber]

It could be.

[Russ Hiebert, Conservative, South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC]

Okay. How many times have you met with him since that first meeting?

[Brian Murphy, Liberal, Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB]

I have a point of order.

[Karlheinz Schreiber]

There was one other time, in my recollection.

[Russ Hiebert, Conservative, South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC]

One other time.