Evidence of meeting #5 for Foreign Affairs and International Development in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was north.

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On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Sinclair  Director General, Arctic, Eurasian and European Affairs, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Laporte  Executive Director, Regional Security and Defence Relations Division, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Daniel Rivière  Commander of Joint Task Force (North), Canadian Armed Forces

The Chair Liberal Ahmed Hussen

I call this meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting number five of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Development.

Today's meeting is taking place in a hybrid format, pursuant to the Standing Orders. Members are attending in person in the room and remotely using the Zoom application.

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I'd like to go next to the committee's budgets.

The clerk distributed to members this morning three draft budgets for the studies currently being undertaken by this committee. They are Canada's Arctic strategy for $27,300; Russian incursion into Polish and Romanian airspace for $500; and the situation in Haiti and Canada's response for $4,000.

Does it please the committee to adopt these budgets?

Some hon. members

Agreed.

The Chair Liberal Ahmed Hussen

Thank you.

Pursuant to Standing Order 106(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Tuesday, September 23, 2025, the committee is meeting on the study of Canada's Arctic strategy.

I would now like to welcome our witnesses for today's meeting.

From the Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development, we have Robert Sinclair, director general, Arctic, Eurasian and European affairs. We also have Eric Laporte, executive director, regional security and defence relations division. From the Canadian Armed Forces, we have Brigadier-General Daniel Rivière, commander of Joint Task Force North.

Up to five minutes will be given for opening remarks, after which we will proceed with rounds of questions from members.

I now invite Mr. Sinclair to make an opening statement of up to five minutes.

Thank you.

Robert Sinclair Director General, Arctic, Eurasian and European Affairs, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you for the invitation to appear with my colleagues, Eric Laporte and General Rivière. We are very pleased to brief you today on this very pertinent and topical issue.

In December 2024, after months of meaningful and distinctions-based engagement with indigenous partners and territorial and provincial governments, Canada launched the Arctic foreign policy in response to the evolving geopolitical context in the Arctic. Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine in 2022 shook the foundations of international co-operation in the Arctic and around the world. Canada has been clear there will be no business as usual with Russia, at the Arctic Council or elsewhere.

From a security perspective, the harsh Arctic environment and sea ice no longer offer the same level of natural protection they once did. As international maritime activity increases, more countries are turning their eyes to the Arctic as a region of opportunity to pursue their economic and geopolitical interests. There is a narrative among some non-Arctic states that because, as they say, what happens in the Arctic affects them, they should have a greater role in Arctic governance. Canada's position is that the Arctic should be governed by the Arctic states first and foremost, in collaboration with Arctic and northern indigenous peoples.

Canada's Arctic foreign policy, which builds on and complements the Arctic and northern policy framework, responds to these and other challenges. The policy consists of four pillars.

The first, asserting our sovereignty, recognizes that diplomacy and defence policy go hand in hand. It identifies areas where diplomacy can support Canada's Arctic security agenda, such as by holding an Arctic security dialogue with Arctic allies at the foreign minister level. It also recognizes the need for better information sharing with domestic partners on international security trends in the Arctic and supporting research security in the Arctic. It also calls for Canada to manage Arctic boundary disputes through a rules-based approach, including for Tartupaluk—also known as Hans Island—and the extended continental shelf.

The second pillar, advancing Canada's interests through pragmatic diplomacy, prioritizes co-operation with like-minded Arctic states, particularly in setting the rules that govern the region. It calls for Canada to enhance co-operation with our most important partners in the Arctic: the United States and the Nordic states. Recognizing the importance of the North American Arctic, the policy states that Canada will open new consulates in Nuuk, Greenland, and Anchorage, Alaska, to promote economic ties, security partnerships, environmental co-operation and people-to-people connections. Co-operation with non-Arctic states and actors is beneficial to address global challenges impacting the Arctic, such as climate change. The EU, the U.K., Japan and South Korea are priority partners in this regard, highlighted in the policy.

The third pillar concerns leadership in Arctic governance and multilateral issues. Canada reaffirms the need for Arctic states to continue to lead a well-governed, rules-based region. Canada will increase its financial contributions to the Arctic Council to support Canadian leadership and engagement.

The fourth pillar of the policy concerns adopting a more inclusive approach to Arctic diplomacy. Canada will strengthen its engagement with like-minded states, territorial and provincial governments, indigenous peoples and other domestic partners to develop a more inclusive and coherent approach to Arctic diplomacy. These partners must be active participants in international relations, beyond the Arctic Council.

Canada will also facilitate access to international markets for goods and products from indigenous and northern communities, in addition to attracting foreign direct investment to these communities to contribute to economic and infrastructure development.

Canada has also created the position of Arctic ambassador. Virginia Mearns was appointed to this position by the Prime Minister last July, and she officially began on September 15. The ambassador plays a key role in ensuring that Canada's foreign policy for the Arctic continues to be connected to Canadians living in the north, including by having an office based in northern Canada, in Iqaluit.

I will add that the ambassador is very disappointed that she isn't able to attend this meeting for technical reasons. She asked me to let you know that she wanted to join you as soon as possible.

In conclusion, Canada's Arctic foreign policy will strengthen Canada's position in the Arctic.

I want to thank the members of the committee for their attention and commitment to this important issue.

We look forward to your questions.

The Chair Liberal Ahmed Hussen

Thank you very much.

I will now open the floor to questions from members, beginning with MP Kramp-Neuman.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Shelby Kramp-Neuman Conservative Hastings—Lennox and Addington—Tyendinaga, ON

Thank you, Chair.

Thanks to all of you for being here today.

First, my high-level comment is that we're obviously looking at strengthening the diplomatic and security partnership in the Arctic and at wanting to address the geopolitical competition.

More specifically, with regard to the F-35s, Chinese and Russian interests in Canada's north have been hammering home the importance of Finland, an Arctic peer, which has placed an order for 64 F-35s and is slated to have their pilots trained, bases upgraded and airframes ready to fly by 2030. With a much larger population here in Canada, we're falling behind on all fronts. Our bases aren't ready, we don't have enough pilots and the government is now taking another look at the program.

I have two quick questions on this.

From a foreign affairs lens, is there any external reason that Canada is falling so far behind our peer nations in establishing our next-generation fighter capabilities? Second, what are the implications internationally with our NATO Arctic allies if we continue to delay acquiring the replacements and widening our capability gap?

11:10 a.m.

Director General, Arctic, Eurasian and European Affairs, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Robert Sinclair

Thank you.

I'm well assisted by both Eric and the general, who are better placed than I am to respond to that question.

Eric Laporte Executive Director, Regional Security and Defence Relations Division, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Thank you, Mr. Chair, for the question.

If I could highlight, on the F-35s, the government has an ongoing review of that. That said, there are 16 aircraft, I think, that are on contract, four of them to be received as of next year. That is proceeding on course.

In terms of our engagement with NATO allies, I would point out that over the course of the past couple of weeks we've had a number of CF-18s deployed to Europe that are in operation and in training with European allies. At the moment, I don't see that as a limiting factor.

I'll stop there. I don't know if the general has any other elements to add.

Brigadier-General Daniel Rivière Commander of Joint Task Force (North), Canadian Armed Forces

Mr. Chair, I don't have any information to add at this time.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Shelby Kramp-Neuman Conservative Hastings—Lennox and Addington—Tyendinaga, ON

If I may, what do you need from us for you to best do your jobs?

Could you talk about the operational gaps that we currently have in the north?

11:10 a.m.

Commander of Joint Task Force (North), Canadian Armed Forces

Brigadier-General Daniel Rivière

Mr. Chair, on the “operational gaps”, if I may, is this specific to the last question on the F-35s?

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Shelby Kramp-Neuman Conservative Hastings—Lennox and Addington—Tyendinaga, ON

Yes, please, ideally.

11:10 a.m.

Commander of Joint Task Force (North), Canadian Armed Forces

Brigadier-General Daniel Rivière

My mandate as commander, Joint Task Force North, excludes the NORAD mandate and the search and rescue and special forces types of operations. NORAD, F-35s and fighter force are not within my terms of reference.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Shelby Kramp-Neuman Conservative Hastings—Lennox and Addington—Tyendinaga, ON

Could any of you speak to the Russian and Chinese Arctic operational capacities?

11:15 a.m.

Executive Director, Regional Security and Defence Relations Division, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Eric Laporte

Mr. Chair, maybe I can start. I'd be happy to have colleagues join in.

Obviously, following its illegal invasion of Ukraine, Russia remains the most capable actor in the Arctic. Despite its engagement in Ukraine, it is continuing to invest heavily in defensive and military capabilities in the Arctic, essentially going back to Cold War tactics and mentality there. A lot of it is potentially for defensive purposes along the northern sea route, but there's nothing preventing them from using it for offensive purposes. We've seen Russian aircraft come close to NORAD air defence identification zones.

We're also seeing, as you point out, an increase in collaboration on the part of Russia and China. Particularly in the Arctic, there has been Chinese military engagement in joint maritime patrols off the Aleutians, whether warships or coast guards from Russia and China, and, again, we've seen Russian and Chinese aircraft off the American air defence identification zone in July 2024. China is very much engaged in resource extraction in the Russian north and, I think, is leveraging Russia's need for resources and for sanctions evasion as a result of the Ukraine war. China is really profiting from LNG exploitation, etc.

I'm happy to turn to other colleagues for any other elements.

11:15 a.m.

Commander of Joint Task Force (North), Canadian Armed Forces

Brigadier-General Daniel Rivière

Mr. Chair, we've observed joint air and maritime patrols between Russia and the PRC; however, never did they infringe on the interdiction zones or sovereign boundaries of any sort. That's what I can add to this.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Shelby Kramp-Neuman Conservative Hastings—Lennox and Addington—Tyendinaga, ON

Do we know if Moscow, Beijing or any other non-NATO states have changed their posturing related to the Arctic?

11:15 a.m.

Director General, Arctic, Eurasian and European Affairs, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Robert Sinclair

Certainly China has included the Arctic as part of its polar silk road plans and has expressed a desire to be a polar great power. It has recently backed off from its narrative about being a near-Arctic state. I think China was realizing that it was not in an effective advocacy position. It still wants to be a global power, and to be a global power, the Arctic is part of its planning.

I can turn to my colleagues if they want to add anything else, but I'll leave it at that.

The Chair Liberal Ahmed Hussen

Thank you.

We will go next to MP Rob Oliphant.

You have six minutes.

Rob Oliphant Liberal Don Valley West, ON

Thank you, Chair.

Thank you to all of the witnesses for being here. I have four areas to cover in six minutes, so I'm going to try to get to them quickly.

The first one is the concept of co-development, which has been a principle of the government's Arctic strategy, and then the reformulation of the foreign policy.

Can you explain what co-development means to Global Affairs?

11:15 a.m.

Director General, Arctic, Eurasian and European Affairs, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Robert Sinclair

Sure.

Co-development means engaging with those who are most impacted by efforts to develop policy. In the north, the ANPF was our starting point. That was the first time Arctic policy was not made in the south; it was made with northern and Arctic partners.

In developing the Arctic foreign policy, we were at pains to hold ourselves to that standard as well, so we had extensive consultations that underpinned the development of the policy with northern and Arctic partners, territorial governments and indigenous peoples.

You can see me leafing through my papers here. I'm looking for the four-page list of consultations, which you, sir, were also part of.

Rob Oliphant Liberal Don Valley West, ON

I trust you on them. I know they're in your head, actually.

11:15 a.m.

Director General, Arctic, Eurasian and European Affairs, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Robert Sinclair

The point is that it's “nothing about us without us”. That's how we developed the Arctic foreign policy.

Rob Oliphant Liberal Don Valley West, ON

Could it be a strategy that every department in this government actually learns from?

11:20 a.m.

Director General, Arctic, Eurasian and European Affairs, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Robert Sinclair

I'm hesitant to speak for other governmental departments, but I'll say that in our case we developed, for Global Affairs, an immense amount of goodwill with Arctic and northern partners by how we went about this. I'm very proud of my team and the efforts they put into this. It's an important step on our journey towards reconciliation.