Evidence of meeting #50 for Public Accounts in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was george.
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Conservative
Brian Fitzpatrick Conservative Prince Albert, SK
A point, Mr. Frizzell, let's get it out there. When you're under suspicion of wrongdoing and you're being investigated, is it not unusual for the wrongdoer to believe that he's being harassed a bit?
Conservative
Brian Fitzpatrick Conservative Prince Albert, SK
Right, especially if you're involved with the RCMP, I would think you would jump to that conclusion.
I want to get to the outsourcing thing.
Mr. Roy, this is very important. I want you to give a clearcut answer on this and not beat around the bush. Did this investigation try to pursue all of these multiple contracts for little or no value with the outsourcing scheme? Did this investigation go down that avenue and thoroughly investigate this area? Yes or no.
Ottawa Police Service (Retired), As an Individual
We investigated all the outsourcing contracts.
Conservative
Brian Fitzpatrick Conservative Prince Albert, SK
So you investigated Mr. Smith, Abotech, and all these groups?
Ottawa Police Service (Retired), As an Individual
Yes, the specific contract you're referring to was packaged as a result of discussion with the Crown. It was put on its own and is being investigated by RCMP's A Division.
Conservative
Brian Fitzpatrick Conservative Prince Albert, SK
Okay.
This is very careful too. Did Ms. Burton ever contact you and indicate that Sergeant Frizzell was being abusive and harassing in the way he was carrying on things? Think carefully about the answer.
Ottawa Police Service (Retired), As an Individual
I'm sorry. Can you repeat the question?
Conservative
Brian Fitzpatrick Conservative Prince Albert, SK
Did Ms. Burton ever contact you during the investigation and suggest that Sergeant Frizzell was being a bit too aggressive and abusive in his investigation?
Conservative
Brian Fitzpatrick Conservative Prince Albert, SK
Okay.
Did you have any discussions afterwards about that with Assistant Commissioner Gork?
Conservative
Brian Fitzpatrick Conservative Prince Albert, SK
Okay.
Mr. Poilievre has an area he wants to pursue.
Conservative
Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON
Yes, did you say that the Abotech contract is under investigation? Did you say that it is under investigation now?
Ottawa Police Service (Retired), As an Individual
I don't know if it is under investigation now, but it was handed off to A Division.
Conservative
Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON
It was handed off to A Division, and we don't know what happened.
Ottawa Police Service (Retired), As an Individual
That's right, for further investigation, criminal investigation.
Conservative
Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON
Ms. George, can you tell me, has the investigation through A Division gone anywhere?
D/Commr Barbara George
I'm not in charge of A Division. I'm sorry, I have no knowledge of that.
Conservative
Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON
To conclude, can we get a copy of the tape that is mentioned in this famous e-mail, which we received, the third point from David Gork? He described this spectacular moment, with Mr. Frizzell's becoming emotional and ending the interview unprofessionally. It says here, “This is on tape.”
Can you have that tape tabled for this committee?
D/Commr Barbara George
I have no access to my office, but I will certainly make that request for you.
By the way--
Conservative
Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON
You're obviously in contact with Mr. Gork, because you've got this e-mail here, so....