Public Accounts Committee on June 4th, 2007

Evidence of meeting #62 for Public Accounts in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was contract.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Chapter 9, Pension and Insurance Administration - Royal Canadian Mounted Police of the November 2006 Report of the Auditor General of Canada

Review of the Roles and Responsibilities of the Treasury Board Secretariat

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Brian Glicksman Treasury Officer of Accounts, United Kingdom (Retired), As an Individual

Kim Casey As an Individual

Pat Casey As an Individual

Dominic Crupi As an Individual

Frank Brazeau As an Individual

François Guimont Deputy Minister, Department of Public Works and Government Services

Shahid Minto Chief Risk Officer, Department of Public Works and Government Services

Anthony Koziol As an Individual

Superintendent Fraser Macaulay Chief Superintendent, Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Jeff Molson As an Individual

4:10 p.m.

As an Individual

Frank Brazeau

An evaluation grid had been developed either by myself or by someone else in the organization. An evaluation was done using these criteria.

4:10 p.m.

Bloc

Jean-Yves Laforest Bloc Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

Did you do those assessments?

4:10 p.m.

As an Individual

Frank Brazeau

Not always.

4:10 p.m.

Bloc

Jean-Yves Laforest Bloc Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

But did you do them in those instances?

4:10 p.m.

As an Individual

Frank Brazeau

I do not remember. As I said last time, in view of the large volume of files, I cannot tell if it was me.

4:10 p.m.

Bloc

Jean-Yves Laforest Bloc Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

I suppose there are documents available about this.

4:10 p.m.

As an Individual

Frank Brazeau

Yes.

4:10 p.m.

Bloc

Jean-Yves Laforest Bloc Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

What were the evaluation criteria, generally speaking?

4:10 p.m.

As an Individual

Frank Brazeau

I do not remember at all.

4:10 p.m.

Bloc

Jean-Yves Laforest Bloc Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

Why was Casey Computing Solutions favoured every time? Was this firm so much better than all the others who would have also been very professional, I suppose?

4:10 p.m.

As an Individual

Frank Brazeau

I am unable to answer without having the documents in front of me.

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Thank you very much, Mr. Laforest.

Mr. Sweet, seven minutes.

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

David Sweet Conservative Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Casey, could you briefly describe your relationship with Dominic Crupi prior to becoming a NCPC contractor?

4:10 p.m.

As an Individual

Pat Casey

I had worked with Mr. Crupi over at Public Works on the pension reform two project. I was a risk analyst over there.

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

David Sweet Conservative Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale, ON

For how long were you involved with Mr. Crupi there?

4:10 p.m.

As an Individual

Pat Casey

That's a good question. I'd say six months.

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

David Sweet Conservative Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale, ON

Who instructed Great-West Life to talk to Morneau Sobeco about taking over the administration of the insurance plan?

4:10 p.m.

As an Individual

Pat Casey

I don't know. It was not me.

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

David Sweet Conservative Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale, ON

You're not aware of that at all?

4:10 p.m.

As an Individual

Pat Casey

No.

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

David Sweet Conservative Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale, ON

You did the business plan for the insurance as well as the pension. Is that correct?

4:15 p.m.

As an Individual

Pat Casey

Mr. Koziol and I did co-author the pension business case.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

David Sweet Conservative Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale, ON

And you did the insurance case yourself?

4:15 p.m.

As an Individual

Pat Casey

There was a team, I believe, put together for that.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

David Sweet Conservative Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale, ON

Did you lead the team?