Evidence of meeting #66 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
That means we wouldn't be able to.... That basically kills the amendment.
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
No, it doesn't. It means.... It would be the—
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
We can't come back to the amendment without unanimous consent anyway. This is....
I'm sorry, but—
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
No, because the amendment won't have been considered. In any other motion.... If we're debating a motion to do a study or something, I can move to adjourn consideration of that motion, which is a dilatory motion that goes straight to a vote. If members vote to adjourn it, then consideration has been adjourned on that matter. It could be brought back later, provided that something has happened in between.
If your understanding is that the consideration of an amendment is equivalent to the consideration of a motion, then it would be entirely consistent with the rules to be able to move to adjourn consideration of an amendment.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
At this point, I have a motion to amend that has been moved, which is not the same as an amendment. You can adjourn debate on this motion, then we will carry on to the amendment.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
CPC-18.1 is an amendment that affects.... As an amendment has been moved, you can adjourn debate on the amendment and we'll carry on to the next amendment.
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Yes, then I can subsequently move to adjourn debate on the amendment, at which point we will not have decided on the amendment and we can come back to it later.
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Liberal
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Conservative
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
If the question is, shall the clause carry...? I've less familiarity with clause-by-clause than I do with motions—
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
We're not at that point yet. Right now, the motion, CPC-18.1, has been moved by Mr. Ruff. That motion seeks to amend clause 23. If we adjourn debate on the motion, then we've made no change to clause 23. We would carry on to the next motion. In this case, there are no more motions on clause 23. We would move to accept—
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Liberal
Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC
On a point of order, Mr. Chair, if there isn't unanimous consent to stand the clause, can we vote and move on?
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
I don't think you would need unanimous consent to stand a clause, Chair.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
My advice from the clerk is that we need unanimous consent to do this, so we're going to go with that.
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Okay.
I'll challenge the chair on that, then, respectfully, and we can see where the committee stands.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
Absolutely: Shall the decision of the chair be upheld?
If you vote yes, you vote to sustain the chair's decision. If you vote no, you vote to overturn the chair's decision. A tie goes to sustain the decision of the chair.
Would the clerk please call the roll?
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Conservative
Blaine Calkins Conservative Red Deer—Lacombe, AB
Just one more time, Chair, can you clarify the question that is about to be put before the committee?
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
The question is whether the decision of the chair shall be upheld, be sustained. If you vote yes—
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
The decision of the chair in this case was that you need UC to stand a clause—
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
—and my view is that you can stand a clause by majority vote. He has ruled that it requires unanimous consent, so I've challenged that ruling.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
If you vote yes, you are supporting the decision of the chair. If you vote no, you're voting to overturn the decision of the chair. A tie goes to the chair.
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Conservative
