Evidence of meeting #66 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.
A recording is available from Parliament.
11:05 p.m.
Some hon. members
Oh, oh!
11:05 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
It's a good deal.
Would the clerk poll the committee, please?
(Ruling of the chair sustained: yeas 7; nays 4)
11:10 p.m.
NDP
Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC
My point of order, which is more of a suggestion, Mr. Chair, is that we can move through this clause—I think we have all expressed a desire to keep working—and if Mr. Ruff can bring something back tomorrow, I think there is goodwill to look at potentially inserting that by UC. I don't think this closes the debate by any means. It bookmarks it as we move forward, but we can come back to it tomorrow night. I'm certainly interested in that.
11:10 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
In my view, if we happen to defeat this motion, Mr. Ruff could bring back a similar motion that would apply to a different place in the bill at a later time.
Ms. Damoff.
11:10 p.m.
Liberal
Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON
I want to put on the record that we would support unanimous consent if we had to go back to look at a clause. I'm not saying for sure we would vote for it, because it would depend on how it would be worded. We can move on, and we would give unanimous consent to go back if we need to.
11:10 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
Mr. Ruff, if this does not pass—and I think the writing's on the wall there—I urge you to find another place where it might fit better, and then we can consider it at a later stage in this process.
Let us carry on with the vote on amendment CPC-18.1. We will have a recorded vote.
(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4)
Thank you, Mr. Ruff. I urge you, of course, to pursue this further, but do it before midnight because, after midnight, we can't do any debates and stuff. I mean midnight tomorrow.
11:10 p.m.
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Chair, on a point of order on that, I do think this underlines the immense challenge to the process, because every other time I have been part of clause-by-clause, if you run into a situation like this, you put it aside and you're able to take the time to go to the drafters and come back, but—
11:10 p.m.
Liberal
Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC
Mr. Chair, I'm sorry but this is not a point of order.
11:10 p.m.
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
—to tell Mr. Ruff there are some fixes we need and they have to be done in the next couple of hours, the next 24 hours, that's a crazy way to legislate. This has a profound impact on people's lives.
11:15 p.m.
Liberal
11:15 p.m.
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
The House order really just undermines the need to get through this in a proper way.
11:15 p.m.
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
I think this underlines the big problem we're facing. It's not a good way to do legislation.
11:15 p.m.
Liberal
Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC
On a point of order, Mr. Chair, we need to get clarification. On the vote we had Ms. Block and Mr. Ruff voted, but Mr. Genuis voted to challenge the Chair.
Who are the sitting members who are voting, and who is here in an observing capacity?
11:15 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
That's a very good point. We're going to check.
To clarify your point—and it was an excellent point—Mr. Genuis basically gave up his vote to Mr. Ruff so Mr. Ruff could vote on his own amendment, but Mr. Genuis is officially a sub on this committee at this time. I was counting to make sure there were only four votes there.
Amendment CPC-18.1 was defeated. That takes us to clause 23 in broad.
11:15 p.m.
A voice
Could we have a recorded vote?
11:15 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
(Clause 23 agreed to: yeas 7; nays 4)
(On clause 24)
We go now to clause 24.
11:15 p.m.
Conservative
11:15 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
Mr. Lloyd requested a recorded division.
Can we conduct a vote on clause 24, please?
11:15 p.m.
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Chair, I have some questions about this one.
11:15 p.m.
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Could I just get some clarity from the officials in terms of firearm collection exemptions?
For people in my riding who are collectors, what are the specific implications of that exemption removal?
11:15 p.m.
Acting Director General, Firearms Policy, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
The amendment proposes “other than handguns” in terms of criteria for the changes with regard to collection. It defines the criteria for an individual to be designated as a gun collector with respect to acquiring restricted or prohibited firearms and it just lists the criteria.
The purpose is consistent with the restrictions on acquiring handguns for collecting purposes introduced in amendments to section 28, which has already passed. Clause 24 amends section 30 to specify the exclusion of handguns from the designation criteria for gun collectors. Basically, it's exactly as is written now, except for saying there is now an exclusion for handguns.