Evidence of meeting #66 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Sandro Giammaria  Counsel, Department of Justice
Phaedra Glushek  Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
Rachel Mainville-Dale  Acting Director General, Firearms Policy, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
Kellie Paquette  Director General, Canadian Firearms Program, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Philippe Méla  Legislative Clerk
Rob Mackinnon  Director, Canadian Firearms Program, Royal Canadian Mounted Police

11:50 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Can we suspend to discuss the resource issue?

11:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

No, we can't.

11:50 p.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB

We'll just wait until we get the resources.

11:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

I believe there is no unanimous consent.

11:50 p.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB

No, we never said that. I want to know if there are resources.

11:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

I don't believe there are resources, but I'll ask the clerk.

There's nothing firm after midnight. It's very doubtful that we could find resources.

The request was made. Do we have unanimous consent to carry on? That would depend on House resources in any event.

Is there unanimous consent?

11:50 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

I'm sorry, Chair. I have a point of order.

You told the committee that there are not resources past midnight. I'm not willing to participate in a charade to justify the government's use of draconian time allocation by having us vote on a decision to extend in a context when we have just been told we can't extend. This is the most absurd, fictional situation ever.

11:50 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

I'm sorry. I have a point of order.

Is a UC motion debatable, Chair?

11:50 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

No, it's not.

11:50 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

Should we not just be—

11:50 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

It's a point of order.

11:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

We're asking for unanimous consent to extend. If you don't like it, say no. If you say yes and we have unanimous consent, we can find out what resources we have.

Is it the will of the committee to extend past midnight? Does anybody wish to say yes or no?

11:50 p.m.

Some hon. members

No

11:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

That's a no. Okay, that's done.

Mr. Julian, you have two minutes and 38 seconds.

11:50 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

No, that's fine. I've said my piece.

It is 16 words in one clause. It is very clear. I'm not sure why we're spending a lot of time on this clause when it is very clear what it indicates and what it says.

11:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Mr. Genuis, I believe you had your hand up. You have one minute and 35 seconds.

11:50 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Before I get to my time for questions, I have a point of order, which is that I don't think Mr. Julian's comment was actually about the clause. It was to reflect and cast aspersions on—

11:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

You're not recognized on a point of order. This is your time. We don't have much time to spend.

11:55 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

I have a point of order. Can I be recognized on a point of order?

11:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

If it's a point of order, sure.

11:55 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Yes, it's a question of relevance.

We have very limited time. Mr. Julian was using his time to go off topic and cast aspersions on us. I would welcome the chance to respond to those.

11:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

It's not a point of order.

11:55 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

He was off topic.

11:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

It's not a point of order. Your time is done—

11:55 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Topicality is a point of order, Chair.

In the time I have, my question is—