Evidence of meeting #66 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
Thank you.
Are there any further interventions on this matter?
Seeing none, I will call the vote on BQ-4.
(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])
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Liberal
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Bloc
Kristina Michaud Bloc Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Once again, I thank my colleagues for voting in favour of the previous amendment.
That amendment is also consequential with the previous ones. It's about requiring a valid license for acquiring magazines. If my colleagues have questions, I invite them to go ahead and ask. That said, I think everyone would normally be in favour of this amendment.
Thank you.
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Liberal
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Conservative
Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON
Thank you.
This appears to me to be another excellent amendment.
Just for clarity, to make sure I understand it.... The concurrence we're doing to make sure it's in alignment is that we're adding “or a cartridge magazine” to the restrictions for a person who is not eligible to hold a licence. Is that correct?
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Acting Director General, Firearms Policy, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
That's correct.
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Conservative
Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON
Okay. That's perfect.
We are just making sure that if you are ineligible to hold a licence to have a firearm, you also cannot buy a cartridge or a magazine, which seems to only make sense. I'm surprised that this hasn't been changed in the last 50 years, but....
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Liberal
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Conservative
Doug Shipley Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I agree with what Mr. Lawrence just said.
Perhaps the officials could just clarify for me—and, I'm sure, as you mentioned earlier, a lot of people who are still watching—
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Conservative
Doug Shipley Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON
There must be skinny stuff on TV tonight.
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Conservative
Doug Shipley Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON
Why would someone not be eligible to hold a licence? Maybe the officials could clarify that for me.
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Director, Canadian Firearms Program, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
An individual can be ineligible, as determined by the chief firearms officer, for a variety of reasons. The chief firearms officer would have the authority to revoke that licence based on circumstance, whether that happens to be a firearms prohibition order or a criminal offence. That is why somebody would be ineligible to hold a licence.
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Conservative
Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON
Just for the viewers who may be hanging on, just to be super clear, so that everyone is aware and so that those who own firearms are in no way nervous about that.... If you own a firearm legally, you have a PAL, and those are the people whose rights we Conservatives are interested in protecting. You will in no way be affected, because you'll just show your PAL, which you would have anyway, to get the magazine. Is that right? No one out there needs to be, in my estimation, concerned about this provision at all.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
It's good to hear.
Are there any further interventions?
Mr. Julian, go ahead.
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NDP
Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC
I completely agree with my friend, Mr. Lawrence.
I think the principle of Bill C-21, as we're developing it, is putting the focus on going after criminals, those who are using ghost guns and untraceable weapons, not legal gun owners who are showing respect for the law.
There is a surprising consensus, an almost Kumbaya moment developing around this table, which is a wonderful thing to see, Mr. Chair.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
Are there any further interventions?
Seeing none, let us have a vote.
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Conservative
