Evidence of meeting #33 for Status of Women in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was trades.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Martin Green  Director General, Workplace Partnerships Directorate, Department of Human Resources and Social Development Canada
Christel Le Petit  Chief, Analysis and Special Projects, Labour Statistics Division, Statistics Canada
Yvan Clermont  Assistant Director, Tourism and the Centre for Education Statistics Division, Statistics Canada
Éric Parisien  Director, Sector Council Program, Department of Human Resources and Social Development Canada
Amy Mifflin-Sills  Director, Trades and Apprenticeship Division, Department of Human Resources and Social Development Canada
Tracey Leesti  Assistant Director, Labour Statistics Division, Statistics Canada
Christina Caron  Director, Labour Market Policy Research, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development
Kathryn McMullen  Chief, Integrated Analysis Section, Tourism and the Centre for Education Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Irene, I think we've finished your round.

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NDP

Irene Mathyssen NDP London—Fanshawe, ON

Madam Chair, I was just getting rolling.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

I know, I know.

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Voices

Oh, oh!

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

We actually have another round.

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Conservative

Candice Bergen Conservative Portage—Lisgar, MB

Can we get that information?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Sure. If there is an answer to that, let's get it quickly.

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Conservative

Candice Bergen Conservative Portage—Lisgar, MB

Could we get the information that she cited, the actual study?

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Chief, Integrated Analysis Section, Tourism and the Centre for Education Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Kathryn McMullen

Yes. We can get that to you.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you.

Now we're going to the second round. This is actually five minutes again for questions and answers.

We start with Ms. Neville.

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Liberal

Anita Neville Liberal Winnipeg South Centre, MB

Before I ask any questions, and through you, Madam Chair, I'm wondering if any of the reports you have referenced here today could be sent to the clerk for our information. There have been a number of quotes from both national and international ones. I would certainly appreciate it.

4:25 p.m.

Director General, Workplace Partnerships Directorate, Department of Human Resources and Social Development Canada

Martin Green

Absolutely.

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Liberal

Anita Neville Liberal Winnipeg South Centre, MB

Thank you.

Thank you for being here. I suspect you put this together fairly quickly. It's quite comprehensive.

I have a number of questions.

On the information you've given us, all of the numbers and statistics, can you break that down and give it to us by province? Can you give it to us by various groups? I'm particularly interested in knowing about the participation of aboriginal women in the trades.

4:30 p.m.

Chief, Analysis and Special Projects, Labour Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Christel Le Petit

Yes. We can do that.

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Liberal

Anita Neville Liberal Winnipeg South Centre, MB

Okay.

You talked about a significant increase in women in the trades with trade certificates. A significant one here is personal and culinary services. Does that include cosmetology?

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Chief, Integrated Analysis Section, Tourism and the Centre for Education Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Kathryn McMullen

Yes, it does, and hairdressing.

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Liberal

Anita Neville Liberal Winnipeg South Centre, MB

So that would be a fairly substantial piece of...?

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Chief, Integrated Analysis Section, Tourism and the Centre for Education Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Kathryn McMullen

They're the traditional women's....

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Liberal

Anita Neville Liberal Winnipeg South Centre, MB

Okay.

I'm intrigued by the question that my colleague asked about when women enter the trades. You have some information on why they leave. Are there any further longitudinal studies done on where they go, why they do it, and whether they take support roles? Do you have any data or information on that?

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Assistant Director, Labour Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

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Liberal

Anita Neville Liberal Winnipeg South Centre, MB

No? Okay.

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Assistant Director, Tourism and the Centre for Education Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Yvan Clermont

The only source of data we have is connected to the national apprenticeship survey, which also looks at the people who have graduated from a trade in the past five years. Therefore, that's the only way we can do it. This is a way of sympathetically looking at longitudinal information, that's all. We would need to run a follow-up to a national apprenticeship survey to know what happens to these subgroups.

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Liberal

Anita Neville Liberal Winnipeg South Centre, MB

Thank you.

I have another couple of questions.

You talked about the fact, Mr. Green, that more men are affected by the recession. Did you factor into that the number of women who are working part time or was that simply for full-time jobs?

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Director, Labour Market Policy Research, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Christina Caron

It was all jobs. We have done breakdowns by part-time and full-time jobs, however.

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Liberal

Anita Neville Liberal Winnipeg South Centre, MB

Could we have those?