Evidence of meeting #52 for Finance in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was clauses.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Erin O'Brien  Director General, Financial Services Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Justin Brown  Acting Director General, Financial Crimes Governance and Operations, Financial Systems Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Gabriel Ngo  Senior Advisor, Financial Crimes Governance and Operations, Financial Systems Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Julie Trepanier  Director, Payments Policy, Financial Systems Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Richard Bilodeau  Director General, Financial Institutions Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Kathleen Wrye  Acting Director, Pensions Policy, Financial Crimes and Security Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Neil Mackinnon  Senior Advisor, Financial Crimes Governance and Operations, Financial Systems Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Garima Dwivedi  Director General, Indigenous Institutions and Governance Modernization, Resolution and Partnerships, Department of Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs
Leane Walsh  Director, Fiscal Policy and Investment Readiness, Department of Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs
Suzanne Kennedy  Acting Director General, Federal-Provincial Relations Division, Federal-Provincial Relations and Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Omar Rajabali  Director General, Social Policy Division, Federal-Provincial Relations and Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Eric Malara  Director, Governance and Reporting, Office of Infrastructure of Canada
Samuel Millar  Director General, Corporate Finance, Natural Resources and Environment, Economic Development and Corporate Finance, Department of Finance
Andre Arbour  Acting Director General, Telecommunications and Internet Policy Branch, Department of Industry
Steve Watton  Manager, Policy, Canada Small Business Financing Program, Department of Industry
Yannick Mondy  Director, Trade and Tariff Policy, International Trade Policy Division, International Trade and Finance Branch, Department of Finance
Lorraine Pelot  Director General, Income Security and Social Development Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Barbara Moran  Director General, Strategic Policy, Analysis and Workplace Information, Labour Program - Policy, Dispute Resolution and International Affairs Directorate, Department of Employment and Social Development
David Charter  Director, Workplace Information and Research Division, Labour Program, Department of Employment and Social Development
Benoit Cadieux  Director, Special Benefits, Employment Insurance Policy, Skills and Employment Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Toby Hoffmann  Acting Director and General Counsel, Judicial Affairs Section, Public Law and Legislative Services Sector, Department of Justice
Anna Dekker  Acting Senior Counsel, Judicial Affairs Section, Public Law and Legislative Services Sector, Department of Justice
Stephen Scott  Director General, Strategy and Performance, National Research Council of Canada
Frances McCormick  Executive Director, Integrated Labour System, Workplace Directorate, Labour Program, Department of Employment and Social Development
Nina Damsbaek  Director, Policy and Research, Canada Student Loans Program, Learning Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Alexandre Roger
Christopher Duschenes  Director General, Economic Policy Development, Lands and Economic Development, Department of Indigenous Services
Kristen Underwood  Director General, Income Security and Social Development Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Kevin Wagdin  Director, Seniors and Pensions Policy Secretariat, Income Security and Social Development Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development

7:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

I really appreciate that last one, because that is a very difficult thing to do. There's no doubt about that, but could you explain the export from Canada...? You touched on it for minute. Could you explain the background? Why are you doing that?

7:20 p.m.

Director, Trade and Tariff Policy, International Trade Policy Division, International Trade and Finance Branch, Department of Finance

Yannick Mondy

Do you mean the “sold for export to Canada”?

7:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

Yes, exactly: “sold for export”.

7:20 p.m.

Director, Trade and Tariff Policy, International Trade Policy Division, International Trade and Finance Branch, Department of Finance

Yannick Mondy

Yes. If I'm not mistaken, that is actually in clause 213.

7:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Okay. We'll come to that. We'll wait till we get there.

Are there any further questions?

(Clause 210 agreed to on division)

(On clause 211)

7:25 p.m.

Director, Trade and Tariff Policy, International Trade Policy Division, International Trade and Finance Branch, Department of Finance

Yannick Mondy

Clause 211 amends section 33.4 of the Customs Act, which currently imposes an obligation to pay interest on duties owing on imported goods from the day after liability to pay occurs. The intent of the change is to establish in regulation the point when the interest will start accruing, as well as to allow an interest-free period to pay duties in respect of goods released prior to accounting, which is effectively most commercial importations. This interest-free period in regulation is subject to limits that are being created in this subsection and that will be at least 12 days and no more than 18 days.

The intent here of these amendments is together to facilitate the establishment in regulation of a single harmonized payment due date for all goods released prior to accounting, rather than being separated by due dates strictly fixed on the number of days after each importation.

(Clause 211 agreed to on division)

(On clause 212)

7:25 p.m.

Director, Trade and Tariff Policy, International Trade Policy Division, International Trade and Finance Branch, Department of Finance

Yannick Mondy

Clause 212 adds a clarification to section 35 of the Customs Act that imposes an obligation on a person to comply with the terms and conditions of the deposit, bond or other security that the person has given. The terms and conditions for bonds and other securities are established in regulations currently under existing paragraph 166(1)(b) of the act.

The intent of this provision is to make clear that the person who provided the deposit, bond or security to allow the release of the goods prior to their accounting must abide by the terms and conditions that accompany those securities.

(Clause 212 agreed to on division)

(On clause 213)

7:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Now we're on clause 213, and Tamara has a question on this.

7:25 p.m.

Director, Trade and Tariff Policy, International Trade Policy Division, International Trade and Finance Branch, Department of Finance

Yannick Mondy

This amendment proposes to amend the existing section 45 of the Customs Act to introduce a definition of “sold for export to Canada”, which currently appears in Customs Act regulations.

To answer your question as to the rationale for this, in certain circumstances, purchasers may be paying duties on the lower price, and usually, this happens when an importer is not the purchaser in Canada, for example, a non-resident importer that is importing on behalf of a retailer located in Canada, or a foreign company that is doing a transaction on behalf of its Canadian subsidiary.

By defining “sold for export to Canada”, the idea is to clarify the amount on which duties owed to the government must be based upon, and to ensure that all importers are on a level playing field by using the same transaction, which is to say the last sale prior to export to a purchaser in Canada, rather than the value of a prior transaction in the supply chain that happens between two foreign entities.

7:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Does that answer your question, Tamara? Good.

(Clause 213 agreed to on division)

(On clause 214)

7:25 p.m.

Director, Trade and Tariff Policy, International Trade Policy Division, International Trade and Finance Branch, Department of Finance

Yannick Mondy

Currently, subsection 97.22(2) and 97.22(3) of the Customs Act establish in statute when an amount and interest owing are a debt that is due to Her Majesty. Clause 214 amends these to allow purchasers to cluster duty payments on multiple items acquired over a specific period of time into a single payment. It also adds a clarification in English that a notice under section 124 is served, and it also makes a minor adjustment to the French version to better reflect the English version by adding “chef du Canada” to “Sa Majesté” to harmonize with the English version.

(Clause 214 agreed to on division)

7:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

We're on clause 215, Yannick.

7:25 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

Mr. Chair, I think we'd be prepared to allow to go on division clauses 215 to 219, if you wish.

(On clauses 215 to 219)

7:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Are there any explanations? Do you want to give a quick heads-up, Ms. Mondy?

If there was any further explanation on 215 to 219, you could make it, and we'll see them as one.

7:30 p.m.

Director, Trade and Tariff Policy, International Trade Policy Division, International Trade and Finance Branch, Department of Finance

Yannick Mondy

Essentially, they're of the same nature, they either make changes to interest owed or penalties owed to ensure that there's a single harmonized billing system. This is consistent throughout 214 to 218, to do changes on various forms of monies that are owed to the Crown based on different penalties.

7:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Thank you.

(Clauses 215 to 219 inclusive agreed to on division)

(On clause 220)

Thank you very much, Ms. Mondy and Mr. Vragovic.

I see you're both here for the next one too. It's division 20, Canada-United States-Mexico Agreement Implementation Act. The floor is yours on clause 220.

7:30 p.m.

Director, Trade and Tariff Policy, International Trade Policy Division, International Trade and Finance Branch, Department of Finance

Yannick Mondy

I would like to invite for this one Marie-Hélène Cantin, who should be in the waiting room, for this particular division.

This clause establishes that there's an amendment to section 16 of the Canada–United States–Mexico Agreement Implementation Act to require the concurrence of the Minister of Finance when the minister responsible for international trade appoints or proposes the names of individuals for rosters, panels and committees established under that agreement for chapter 10, which relates to trade remedies dispute settlement mechanisms. These amendments are technical in administrative nature, and also maintain Canada's long-standing approach in this area for other agreements as well.

7:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Are there any thoughts?

(Clause 220 agreed to on division)

Thank you, Ms. Mondy, and others who were with you.

We'll now turn to division 21, I believe the lead is Lorraine Pelot.

June 1st, 2021 / 7:30 p.m.

Lorraine Pelot Director General, Income Security and Social Development Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development

Yes.

7:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

There are no amendments on clauses 221 to 245.

Do we have authority to group them?

7:30 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

Mr. Chair, I think we'll group them this time. You've done your job in moving us forward, so thank you.

7:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Good. Thank you, all.

Are there any explanations needed here? There are no amendments.

(Clauses 221 to 245 inclusive agreed to on division)

(On clause 246)

7:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Thank you very much, Ms. Pelot.

Turning then to division 22, Canada Labour Code, equal remuneration protection, we have clause 246. Barbara Moran is with us on division 22.

A BQ-6 amendment is in place there, so we'll turn to the Bloc.

Gabriel.

7:30 p.m.

Bloc

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

This part addresses what we call the transfer of contracts. This often involves subcontractors that provide services at airports. The system works on a competitive bidding basis. We've seen the following scheme: a new company or the same company acting under a different name bids at a lower cost and, once the company obtains the contract, it lowers the wages and working conditions of its employees.

Under this provision, the subcontractor can't lower wages. Most of the time, since the jobs are specialized, the same workers are hired. We welcome this part of Bill C-30. However, we want to go further. We want to ensure that, not only will the wages be maintained, but that all the working conditions under the previous contract will also be maintained. Our goal is to prevent the new providers from bidding lower with the goal of lowering working conditions in general. This is about ensuring that these conditions are maintained.

7:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Mr. Ste-Marie, I will have to make a ruling on this one.

The amendment replaces paragraph 47.3(2) of the Canada Labour Code, to add that in the case of a transfer of employer, the new employer must provide employees who are providing the services with rights and benefits that are not limited to remuneration.

The act presently is silent in regard to the rights and benefits of employees. Therefore, the amendment goes beyond its scope, as adopted at second reading by the House. Per page 772 of the House of Commons Procedure and Practice, third edition, the amendment is out of order.

With that, on clause 246, are explanations needed from Ms. Moran?

Mrs. Jansen.