Evidence of meeting #52 for Finance in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was clauses.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

Erin O'Brien  Director General, Financial Services Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Justin Brown  Acting Director General, Financial Crimes Governance and Operations, Financial Systems Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Gabriel Ngo  Senior Advisor, Financial Crimes Governance and Operations, Financial Systems Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Julie Trepanier  Director, Payments Policy, Financial Systems Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Richard Bilodeau  Director General, Financial Institutions Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Kathleen Wrye  Acting Director, Pensions Policy, Financial Crimes and Security Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Neil Mackinnon  Senior Advisor, Financial Crimes Governance and Operations, Financial Systems Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Garima Dwivedi  Director General, Indigenous Institutions and Governance Modernization, Resolution and Partnerships, Department of Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs
Leane Walsh  Director, Fiscal Policy and Investment Readiness, Department of Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs
Suzanne Kennedy  Acting Director General, Federal-Provincial Relations Division, Federal-Provincial Relations and Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Omar Rajabali  Director General, Social Policy Division, Federal-Provincial Relations and Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Eric Malara  Director, Governance and Reporting, Office of Infrastructure of Canada
Samuel Millar  Director General, Corporate Finance, Natural Resources and Environment, Economic Development and Corporate Finance, Department of Finance
Andre Arbour  Acting Director General, Telecommunications and Internet Policy Branch, Department of Industry
Steve Watton  Manager, Policy, Canada Small Business Financing Program, Department of Industry
Yannick Mondy  Director, Trade and Tariff Policy, International Trade Policy Division, International Trade and Finance Branch, Department of Finance
Lorraine Pelot  Director General, Income Security and Social Development Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Barbara Moran  Director General, Strategic Policy, Analysis and Workplace Information, Labour Program - Policy, Dispute Resolution and International Affairs Directorate, Department of Employment and Social Development
David Charter  Director, Workplace Information and Research Division, Labour Program, Department of Employment and Social Development
Benoit Cadieux  Director, Special Benefits, Employment Insurance Policy, Skills and Employment Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Toby Hoffmann  Acting Director and General Counsel, Judicial Affairs Section, Public Law and Legislative Services Sector, Department of Justice
Anna Dekker  Acting Senior Counsel, Judicial Affairs Section, Public Law and Legislative Services Sector, Department of Justice
Stephen Scott  Director General, Strategy and Performance, National Research Council of Canada
Frances McCormick  Executive Director, Integrated Labour System, Workplace Directorate, Labour Program, Department of Employment and Social Development
Nina Damsbaek  Director, Policy and Research, Canada Student Loans Program, Learning Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Alexandre Roger
Christopher Duschenes  Director General, Economic Policy Development, Lands and Economic Development, Department of Indigenous Services
Kristen Underwood  Director General, Income Security and Social Development Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Kevin Wagdin  Director, Seniors and Pensions Policy Secretariat, Income Security and Social Development Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development

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Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

Yes.

(On clauses 253 and 254)

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Do we need an explanation?

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Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

Yes.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

It was explained at committee previously, but okay.

June 1st, 2021 / 7:50 p.m.

Toby Hoffmann Acting Director and General Counsel, Judicial Affairs Section, Public Law and Legislative Services Sector, Department of Justice

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I believe my colleague, Ms. Anna Dekker, is in already. I'd ask that Mr. Patrick Xavier be brought in as well.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Okay.

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Acting Director and General Counsel, Judicial Affairs Section, Public Law and Legislative Services Sector, Department of Justice

Toby Hoffmann

While that's occurring I can provide an overview.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Yes, go ahead, sir.

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Acting Director and General Counsel, Judicial Affairs Section, Public Law and Legislative Services Sector, Department of Justice

Toby Hoffmann

Thank you.

As we said before, clause 253 amends the Judges Act to stop the accrual of pensionable service for a judge who is the subject of a report regarding removal from office issued by the Canadian Judicial Council.

I think what we said before is that this is being proposed by the government because there have been concerns of confidence in the process raised publicly, namely, that judges who may be the subject of such reports continue to collect pensionable service. This will prevent that from occurring.

Also, if a judge is the subject of a report for removal from office but that is not accepted by the Minister of Justice by this House or the Senate, then the pension continues to accrue as if nothing had changed.

If I may, lastly, clause 254 ensures that this amendment is prospective only.

I'm here with my colleagues to answer any questions that you may have. Thank you for the opportunity to speak to this.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Are there any questions?

(Clauses 253 and 254 agreed to on division)

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Thank you very much, Mr. Hoffmann and colleagues.

We'll turn to division 27, dealing with new judicial resources.

You're here for this one too.

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Acting Director and General Counsel, Judicial Affairs Section, Public Law and Legislative Services Sector, Department of Justice

Toby Hoffmann

Yes, I am, Mr. Chair.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Welcome.

(On clauses 255 to 260)

Mr. Hoffman.

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Acting Director and General Counsel, Judicial Affairs Section, Public Law and Legislative Services Sector, Department of Justice

Toby Hoffmann

Thank you again, Mr. Chair.

Just as a brief introduction, all these clauses, clauses 255 to 260, concern amendments to different acts regarding a judicial complement.

As you requested, Mr. Chair, clause 255 is an amendment to the Federal Courts Act. It increases the complement of the Federal Court of Appeal by one judge.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

I guess we'll deal with them one by one unless I hear someone suggesting otherwise.

Do we want to deal them all, clauses 255 to 260, with unanimous consent, and get an overall explanation on them? Are we okay with that?

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Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

That's fine.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Okay.

If you would explain the rest of them, Mr. Hoffmann, we'll handle them all together.

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Acting Director and General Counsel, Judicial Affairs Section, Public Law and Legislative Services Sector, Department of Justice

Toby Hoffmann

Thank you, Mr. Chair and Mr. Fast.

Clause 256 amends the Judges Act to add to the complement of the Ontario Superior Court of Justice by five judges.

Clause 257 amends the Judges Act to increase the complement of the Supreme Court of British Columbia by two judges.

Clause 258 amends the Judges Act to increase the complement of the Court of Queen’s Bench for Saskatchewan by two judges.

Clause 259 amends the Judges Act to authorize the appointment of a new associate chief justice for the Supreme Court of Newfoundland and Labrador.

Finally, clause 260 amends the Tax Court of Canada Act to increase the judicial complement of that court by two judges.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

I believe Mr. Fast has a question.

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Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

What metrics did you use to determine that these additional resources were necessary?

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Acting Director and General Counsel, Judicial Affairs Section, Public Law and Legislative Services Sector, Department of Justice

Toby Hoffmann

I'll answer your question if I can, Mr. Fast, but I would say that my colleague here, Ms. Dekker, is the subject matter expert.

Essentially, Mr. Fast, the way the process works is that our department, the Department of Justice, sends out a call letter, if I may, to the jurisdictions. It's part of what we call a standardized process. We ask the jurisdictions to provide us with their requests for the upcoming year in terms of judicial complement. In that regard, we identify some criteria, such as caseloads and other factors.

Really, though, Mr. Fast, it's wholly within the purview of the provinces of the courts to provide us with whatever information they believe is necessary to support their businesses cases. When we receive that information, we work with them closely, I think I can say, to ensure that they essentially put their best foot forward, or we try to identify any gaps in information that we feel may be there. After we receive that information, assess it and work with the PTs, we in my section prepare legal advice that we pass on to the minister. Then the minister and his officials take that and make decisions, which we're not privy to at all, in terms of what complement should be provided to these courts based on their asks.

I don't know if that's enough for you, Mr. Fast. I could ask my colleague Ms. Dekker to add to that, if you'd like to hear anything more.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

How are you on that, Ed?

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Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

You know, that was pretty good, but I do want to hear from Ms. Dekker very briefly.

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Acting Director and General Counsel, Judicial Affairs Section, Public Law and Legislative Services Sector, Department of Justice

Toby Hoffmann

Thank you, Mr. Fast.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Ms. Dekker.