Evidence of meeting #52 for Finance in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was clauses.

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MPs speaking

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Erin O'Brien  Director General, Financial Services Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Justin Brown  Acting Director General, Financial Crimes Governance and Operations, Financial Systems Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Gabriel Ngo  Senior Advisor, Financial Crimes Governance and Operations, Financial Systems Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Julie Trepanier  Director, Payments Policy, Financial Systems Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Richard Bilodeau  Director General, Financial Institutions Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Kathleen Wrye  Acting Director, Pensions Policy, Financial Crimes and Security Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Neil Mackinnon  Senior Advisor, Financial Crimes Governance and Operations, Financial Systems Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Garima Dwivedi  Director General, Indigenous Institutions and Governance Modernization, Resolution and Partnerships, Department of Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs
Leane Walsh  Director, Fiscal Policy and Investment Readiness, Department of Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs
Suzanne Kennedy  Acting Director General, Federal-Provincial Relations Division, Federal-Provincial Relations and Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Omar Rajabali  Director General, Social Policy Division, Federal-Provincial Relations and Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Eric Malara  Director, Governance and Reporting, Office of Infrastructure of Canada
Samuel Millar  Director General, Corporate Finance, Natural Resources and Environment, Economic Development and Corporate Finance, Department of Finance
Andre Arbour  Acting Director General, Telecommunications and Internet Policy Branch, Department of Industry
Steve Watton  Manager, Policy, Canada Small Business Financing Program, Department of Industry
Yannick Mondy  Director, Trade and Tariff Policy, International Trade Policy Division, International Trade and Finance Branch, Department of Finance
Lorraine Pelot  Director General, Income Security and Social Development Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Barbara Moran  Director General, Strategic Policy, Analysis and Workplace Information, Labour Program - Policy, Dispute Resolution and International Affairs Directorate, Department of Employment and Social Development
David Charter  Director, Workplace Information and Research Division, Labour Program, Department of Employment and Social Development
Benoit Cadieux  Director, Special Benefits, Employment Insurance Policy, Skills and Employment Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Toby Hoffmann  Acting Director and General Counsel, Judicial Affairs Section, Public Law and Legislative Services Sector, Department of Justice
Anna Dekker  Acting Senior Counsel, Judicial Affairs Section, Public Law and Legislative Services Sector, Department of Justice
Stephen Scott  Director General, Strategy and Performance, National Research Council of Canada
Frances McCormick  Executive Director, Integrated Labour System, Workplace Directorate, Labour Program, Department of Employment and Social Development
Nina Damsbaek  Director, Policy and Research, Canada Student Loans Program, Learning Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Alexandre Roger
Christopher Duschenes  Director General, Economic Policy Development, Lands and Economic Development, Department of Indigenous Services
Kristen Underwood  Director General, Income Security and Social Development Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Kevin Wagdin  Director, Seniors and Pensions Policy Secretariat, Income Security and Social Development Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development

8:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Mrs. Jansen.

8:05 p.m.

Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

I asked a number of questions about this previously. Maybe you've had more time to think about it, so I want to ask this question again. What exactly is the facility going to be doing between pandemics? I don't understand what the plan is, especially because this is asking for a removal of the cap on production. The concern now might be that you are suddenly in competition with other private companies.

Do you understand better what NRC will be doing between pandemics?

8:05 p.m.

Director General, Strategy and Performance, National Research Council of Canada

Stephen Scott

Thank you for the question.

The intent of the facility is very much to complement the private sector and offer partnership opportunities to companies that might not otherwise have manufacturing partnerships.

Between pandemics, one of the roles of the facility will be to produce drugs and medical products for public health needs. This would include orphan drugs for example, where there's a niche need for something like that. Those are examples of the types of activities the facility would undertake between pandemics.

8:05 p.m.

Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

Is it certain that you would be producing orphan drugs between pandemics?

8:05 p.m.

Director General, Strategy and Performance, National Research Council of Canada

Stephen Scott

It will certainly be part of the facility's mandate. It's certainly something we're looking at and it's part of the analysis of options in the long term.

8:05 p.m.

Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

You're very specific when you talk about “drugs” and “devices”. Is that too broad? Is that too narrow? When you say devices, are you going to be making ventilators there? What does that mean?

8:05 p.m.

Director General, Strategy and Performance, National Research Council of Canada

Stephen Scott

The terms “drugs” and “devices” were selected to be part of the legislation because they're defined in the Food and Drugs Act. As the name suggests, “drugs” refers to your typical vaccines and therapeutics. “Devices” was included to be very pragmatic. When the facility produces vaccines, just pragmatically, they will need to be put into something. “Devices” refers to things like vials and syringes.

8:05 p.m.

Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

Packaging...so you would actually make vials and syringes as well.

8:05 p.m.

Director General, Strategy and Performance, National Research Council of Canada

Stephen Scott

Yes, the intent would be to produce the vials and syringes into which the vaccine will go once it's manufactured.

8:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Okay, I thank you all.

(Clauses 261 and 262 agreed to on division)

8:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Thank you very much, Mr. Scott.

We are going to division 29, Department of Employment and Social Development. The lead is Ms. McCormick.

Just a heads-up to the committee, we have a hard stop at 8:30 Ottawa time, given the complications of Zoom, pressure on the translators and so on. We have 98 clauses left plus the title—four or five votes there—and 16 amendments. That is where we are.

In any event, do you want to explain clause 263, Ms. McCormick? We have one amendment on clause 264.

(On clause 263)

8:05 p.m.

Frances McCormick Executive Director, Integrated Labour System, Workplace Directorate, Labour Program, Department of Employment and Social Development

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

This proposal is an amendment to the Department of Employment and Social Development Act to authorize the Minister of Labour to collect social insurance numbers.

The purpose is that it's part of the modernization of services to Canadians delivered by the labour program, with a particular focus on improving digital capacity. This is so we can move from paper-based to electronic systems of a protected nature. This is primarily behind the My Service Canada Account, which uses the SIN as a mandatory identifier within that system.

These services are for our federally regulated employers and employees to file reports of a protected nature. Upon enforcement of this, we will not be collecting the SIN until privacy impact assessments are done to ensure that people's personal information is fully protected.

I'm happy to take any questions.

8:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

That's pretty straightforward, I believe.

(Clause 263 agreed to on division)

Thank you very much, Ms. McCormick.

8:10 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

I have a point of order.

Mr. Chair, the amendments that I'll be offering impact clauses 264, 265, 266 and 267, so I'd like to suggest, if we are continuing with the format of a brief presentation followed by questions, that we group all four clauses. I think it makes more sense. Then I would present all of the amendments at the same time.

8:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Is the committee okay with that approach?

8:10 p.m.

An hon. member

Agreed.

8:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

You're saying, Peter, that we'd group clauses 264 to 267.

8:10 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

Yes.

(On clauses 264 to 267)

8:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Could we have a brief overview from Ms. Damsbaek?

Go ahead, Nina.

June 1st, 2021 / 8:10 p.m.

Nina Damsbaek Director, Policy and Research, Canada Student Loans Program, Learning Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development

Thanks very much.

I'm happy to address clauses 264 to 267 all together. In fact, I think that is wise. In fact, only three of them now have the effect of actually enacting the interest waiver on Canada student loans and Canada apprentice loans for a two-year period.

I'll start just by offering a little bit of context as to why. I should explain that, at the time of drafting these amendments, we actually needed to coordinate between two pieces of legislation. Members of this committee will recall that a one-year interest waiver was actually announced in the fall economic statement in November 2020.

8:10 p.m.

Bloc

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette, QC

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

8:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Just hold on, Nina, for a minute.

Mr. Ste-Marie.

8:10 p.m.

Bloc

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette, QC

The interpreters are reporting that the poor sound quality is making their job difficult. Can an adjustment be made?

8:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

I'm not getting the English translation.

8:10 p.m.

Bloc

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette, QC

The poor sound quality is making it difficult for the interpreters to work.