Evidence of meeting #52 for Finance in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was clauses.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Erin O'Brien  Director General, Financial Services Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Justin Brown  Acting Director General, Financial Crimes Governance and Operations, Financial Systems Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Gabriel Ngo  Senior Advisor, Financial Crimes Governance and Operations, Financial Systems Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Julie Trepanier  Director, Payments Policy, Financial Systems Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Richard Bilodeau  Director General, Financial Institutions Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Kathleen Wrye  Acting Director, Pensions Policy, Financial Crimes and Security Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Neil Mackinnon  Senior Advisor, Financial Crimes Governance and Operations, Financial Systems Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Garima Dwivedi  Director General, Indigenous Institutions and Governance Modernization, Resolution and Partnerships, Department of Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs
Leane Walsh  Director, Fiscal Policy and Investment Readiness, Department of Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs
Suzanne Kennedy  Acting Director General, Federal-Provincial Relations Division, Federal-Provincial Relations and Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Omar Rajabali  Director General, Social Policy Division, Federal-Provincial Relations and Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Eric Malara  Director, Governance and Reporting, Office of Infrastructure of Canada
Samuel Millar  Director General, Corporate Finance, Natural Resources and Environment, Economic Development and Corporate Finance, Department of Finance
Andre Arbour  Acting Director General, Telecommunications and Internet Policy Branch, Department of Industry
Steve Watton  Manager, Policy, Canada Small Business Financing Program, Department of Industry
Yannick Mondy  Director, Trade and Tariff Policy, International Trade Policy Division, International Trade and Finance Branch, Department of Finance
Lorraine Pelot  Director General, Income Security and Social Development Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Barbara Moran  Director General, Strategic Policy, Analysis and Workplace Information, Labour Program - Policy, Dispute Resolution and International Affairs Directorate, Department of Employment and Social Development
David Charter  Director, Workplace Information and Research Division, Labour Program, Department of Employment and Social Development
Benoit Cadieux  Director, Special Benefits, Employment Insurance Policy, Skills and Employment Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Toby Hoffmann  Acting Director and General Counsel, Judicial Affairs Section, Public Law and Legislative Services Sector, Department of Justice
Anna Dekker  Acting Senior Counsel, Judicial Affairs Section, Public Law and Legislative Services Sector, Department of Justice
Stephen Scott  Director General, Strategy and Performance, National Research Council of Canada
Frances McCormick  Executive Director, Integrated Labour System, Workplace Directorate, Labour Program, Department of Employment and Social Development
Nina Damsbaek  Director, Policy and Research, Canada Student Loans Program, Learning Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Alexandre Roger
Christopher Duschenes  Director General, Economic Policy Development, Lands and Economic Development, Department of Indigenous Services
Kristen Underwood  Director General, Income Security and Social Development Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Kevin Wagdin  Director, Seniors and Pensions Policy Secretariat, Income Security and Social Development Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development

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Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

I'm just wondering why the natural death of a child is only given three days bereavement and this is 104. What's the logic behind that?

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Director General, Strategic Policy, Analysis and Workplace Information, Labour Program - Policy, Dispute Resolution and International Affairs Directorate, Department of Employment and Social Development

Barbara Moran

The purpose behind this one is to really just align the leave associated with the Canadian benefit for parents of young victims of crime. It's to ensure that job-protected leave is available for people availing themselves of that benefit.

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Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

Is there a reason why there's a difference in definition about the age of the child—under 25 as opposed to under 18?

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Director General, Strategic Policy, Analysis and Workplace Information, Labour Program - Policy, Dispute Resolution and International Affairs Directorate, Department of Employment and Social Development

Barbara Moran

Yes. In fact, that goes back to a 2017 report from the federal ombudsman for victims of crime that found that one of the most common reasons that applications for the benefit were denied was that the victim was over the age of 18. They decided to extend it for the purposes of applying to the benefit. In turn, we extended the leave to match what's happening with the benefit.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Mr. Julian.

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NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

I apologize, Mr. Chair.

I was in the House of Commons and I understand from a couple of my colleagues that we have bounded ahead quite remarkably. My leader, of course, was giving his speech and there were some procedural issues. I was hoping you could give me a quick update on the consideration of clause-by-clause.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Okay.

We are on division 24, dealing jointly with clauses 250 and 251. We are at page 278 in the bill.

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NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

Thank you very much.

I believe that you had gone to NDP-10—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Yes. There were no movers so we moved on.

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NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

May I ask for unanimous consent to come back briefly to that?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

You can.

Could we finish with Ms. Moran first, and then we'll give you that opportunity?

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NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

Thank you.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

One of the difficulties is that we did vote on the section that your amendment is referring to.

In any event, we are ready to vote on clauses 250 and 251.

(Clauses 250 and 251 agreed to on division)

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Mr. Julian, you're asking for unanimous consent to go back to your amendment on clause 248.

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NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

Yes.

I apologize to my colleagues, Mr. Chair.

This is wearing two hats, where there are procedural issues in the House of Commons and the finance committee is sitting late. Occasionally these things occur. I certainly apologize for trying to handle both at the same time.

I would ask for unanimous consent for the chance to propose the amendment.

7:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Is there unanimous consent to propose the amendment?

Do I hear any objection? I guess that's the way to put it.

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Liberal

Julie Dzerowicz Liberal Davenport, ON

There isn't unanimous consent.

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Liberal

Sean Fraser Liberal Central Nova, NS

No.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

There's no unanimous consent.

(On clause 252)

We'll go, then, to division 25, “Payment to Quebec”.

Mr. Cadieux.

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Benoit Cadieux Director, Special Benefits, Employment Insurance Policy, Skills and Employment Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

My name is Benoit Cadieux. I'm the director of employment insurance, special benefits, at Employment and Social Development Canada.

Clause 252 authorizes the Minister of Employment and Social Development to enter into an agreement and make a one-time payment of $130.3 million to Quebec for the purpose of offsetting some of the costs of aligning the Quebec parental insurance plan with the temporary EI measures introduced last September 2020, ensuring that parents in Quebec receive the same level of support as parents in the rest of Canada.

Thank you. With that, I can answer any questions.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Are there any questions?

Mr. Falk.

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Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

Thanks, Mr. Chair.

Does this request come from Quebec, or is this just another goodwill posturing gesture on behalf of the government?

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Director, Special Benefits, Employment Insurance Policy, Skills and Employment Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development

Benoit Cadieux

The request does indeed come from Quebec. They have identified a cost of $260 million to align the Quebec parental insurance plan with the EI temporary measures. This payment provides approximately half of that with those costs.

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Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

Okay. Thank you.

(Clause 252 agreed to on division)

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Thank you very much, Mr. Cadieux.

We move on to division 26 on the Judges Act. Mr. Hoffman is the lead. There are no amendments on these two clauses. Can we see them together?