Public Safety Committee on May 10th, 2023

[An hon. member]

Your time is up.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

No, I didn't use my time. It was a point of order.

Briefly, for the officials, my question is this: What are the implications of this for people who live in a border area? If you are working near Lloydminster and you have an authorization under this section, and if the nature of your job is to work on both sides of a provincial border, what are the options for an individual, given this section?

Are there exceptions or are there other provisions that could apply in the case of someone working across a border area? It's relevant in my province and it might be relevant between Quebec and Ontario and in parts of the Maritimes, etc.

[Rachel Mainville-Dale]

Thank you for the question.

At this point, the way it is drafted, it would only allow an authorization to carry in the province where the holder of the authorization resides.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

You can't apply for an authorization? What if you exclusively work across a border? If I live in Lloydminster on the Alberta side and I work on the Saskatchewan side and my job requires me to use a firearm, what happens to me under those circumstances?

[Rachel Mainville-Dale]

I believe that in the way it is drafted, you would only be able to carry in the province in which you reside.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

That's obviously a problem for someone in that situation, right? There's no way that a person who is in that situation can apply in the province where they may substantially work and spend a lot of time in their lives if they happen to have a residence on the other side of the line.

[Rachel Mainville-Dale]

I would not disagree with that assessment.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

Mr. Genuis, thank you.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Can I move an amendment? Amendments are separate—

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

No. Your time is up.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

But there's a separate time structure for amendments—

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

No, there's not.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

I thought you had five minutes per amendment and five minutes per—

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

Okay. Hold on.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

You can table—

[Pam Damoff, Liberal, Oakville North—Burlington, ON]

We already voted. You weren't here.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

I'm sorry, Chair; could you clarify?

My understanding of the House order is that you have five minutes per amendment and five minutes per clause. If a concern is identified before we have gone to a vote on the clause, we can move an amendment on the clause—

[Taleeb Noormohamed, Liberal, Vancouver Granville, BC]

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

—and we have five minutes to consider that amendment.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

I have Mr. Noormohamed on a point of order.

[Taleeb Noormohamed, Liberal, Vancouver Granville, BC]

I believe that Mr. Genuis appears to be challenging the chair. If that's the case, can we have a vote? If not, can we move on?

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

I'd just like clarification on the rule, based on the House order.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

I'm going to ask the legislative clerk to advise me on this.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Thank you.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

Can we move an amendment at this time on clause 30?

The clerk advises that we would be able to move an amendment. However, the time allotted for our meeting is up as of one minute from now. We will take up this matter when we resume tomorrow.