Justice Committee on Dec. 9th, 2025

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

There is a standing order that allows this to be appealed directly to the Speaker if you deprive him of the floor. You probably don't know that, but it was adopted as part of a provision that Bardish Chagger brought forward.

[The Chair, Liberal, James Maloney]

All right. Thank you, Mr. Genuis.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

You're welcome.

[The Clerk of the Committee, Christine Holke]

I'll take the vote on whether the chair's ruling should be sustained.

(Ruling of the chair sustained: yeas 5; nays 4)

[The Chair, Liberal, James Maloney]

Mr. Lawrence, you have the floor.

[Philip Lawrence, Conservative, Northumberland—Clarke, ON]

I wish to confirm Mr. Jivani's comment that the Bloc are hypocrites.

[An hon. member]

Big time.

[The Chair, Liberal, James Maloney]

All right. We'll move on. We can do this all night if you want.

Mr. Holman.

[Melissa Lantsman, Conservative, Thornhill, ON]

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair. Is there a list of words that you're not okay with that you can provide to the committee?

[The Chair, Liberal, James Maloney]

If you're going to sit here and call another member of Parliament a hypocrite, then yes, we'll keep doing this over—

[Melissa Lantsman, Conservative, Thornhill, ON]

I believe he did not call another member of Parliament a hypocrite.

[The Chair, Liberal, James Maloney]

He did. I've ruled on it once. I've ruled on it a second time.

[Melissa Lantsman, Conservative, Thornhill, ON]

This is not the same thing.

[The Chair, Liberal, James Maloney]

What's your point of order, then?

[Melissa Lantsman, Conservative, Thornhill, ON]

My point of order is whether there is a list of acceptable words in this committee. Is that where we're at now?

[The Chair, Liberal, James Maloney]

It's not an exhaustive list.

Thank you.

[Melissa Lantsman, Conservative, Thornhill, ON]

What is the list?

[Jacob Mantle, Conservative, York—Durham, ON]

There's more.

[The Chair, Liberal, James Maloney]

Mr. Holman, you have the floor.

[Andrew Lawton, Conservative, Elgin—St. Thomas—London South, ON]

I have a point of order. It's the same incident, but it's a different point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, James Maloney]

Let's hear it.

[Andrew Lawton, Conservative, Elgin—St. Thomas—London South, ON]

You ruled on Mr. Jivani's comment. We challenged your decision and moved on. The comment made by Mr. Lawrence was not impugning an individual member; he made a general comment about a party. There is no precedent at all that I'm aware of and no standing order that prohibits that. It is certainly not the same as what you ruled on in the previous member's intervention. We are free in the House and in this committee to make a range of comments about parties broadly, which are not about people.

[The Chair, Liberal, James Maloney]

Okay. You've made your point, Mr. Lawton. That's no longer a point of order. We're getting into debate.

[Andrew Lawton, Conservative, Elgin—St. Thomas—London South, ON]

It is a point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, James Maloney]

Mr. Holman, you have the floor.