Evidence of meeting #56 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was interference.
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4:25 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Bardish Chagger
Mr. Gerretsen, yesterday the conversation that took place was that, when the committee has taken a decision on anything, it cannot be retaken unless there's unanimous consent. If we would like to see it repeated.... I see some heads nodding.
Would we like to see the subamendment revoted on?
4:30 p.m.
Liberal
Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON
I'll ask for reconsideration of that, if there's unanimous consent.
4:30 p.m.
Some hon. members
Agreed.
4:30 p.m.
Liberal
Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON
Just to be clear, we're now back on Ms. Normandin's subamendment.
4:30 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Bardish Chagger
Is that suitable? Can I get some heads nodding on the screen—up and down, or left and right?
Mr. Julian.
4:30 p.m.
NDP
Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC
I support that, Madam Chair.
Could you just reread it so that everybody understands what the subamendment does?
4:30 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Bardish Chagger
The subamendment will be removing the changes to (a) in the amendment, which means that the original paragraph as per your motion would stand. Then the other changes would remain, which are in Mr. Cooper's amendment.
Are we all on the same page? We have unanimous consent to redo the vote on the subamendment.
Madam Clerk, I am calling the question on Ms. Normandin's subamendment.
(Subamendment agreed to: yeas 7; nays 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
We will now go back to the amendment.
I'm starting a new list, so if you want to be on the speakers list, please put your hand up.
We'll start with Mr. Julian on the amendment.
4:30 p.m.
NDP
4:30 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Bardish Chagger
I'm sorry, Mr. Julian. If I can just clarify, it is the amendment as amended.
4:30 p.m.
NDP
Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC
Yes, and since we have amended by defeating the first clause, I want to offer a subamendment to the second clause.
I think that probably the best way to go through this is to have votes on each of the individual clauses given the scope of it. I would strike “all” from the amendment. It would read: “That this inquiry be granted all necessary powers to call witnesses from the government and from political parties”, and I'll speak briefly to that. Again, there may be consensus around some clauses—
4:30 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Bardish Chagger
Mr. Julian, if I may, I'm seeking clarification. In the amendment as amended, you are just removing the word “all” and—
4:30 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Bardish Chagger
All right.
Is everyone okay? Do we all get it? He's just removing the word “all” in the amendment as amended.
Go ahead, Mr. Julian.
4:30 p.m.
NDP
Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC
Again, I think it's good to be treating each of these paragraphs separately as we work through. Hopefully, we've resolved the first paragraph and, hopefully, we have consensus around the second. The amendment that was offered takes away the specific references I had put in my motion, but at the same time, I think there has been an indication from a number of quarters around the table that they don't necessarily like these specific mentions.
In any event, the inquiry can call witnesses from the government and from political parties. I would support the subamendment and then the amendment that is ultimately stripping away the specific references that were in my motion.
4:35 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Bardish Chagger
Thank you, Mr. Julian.
Mr. Turnbull's hand is up, and I want to take names.
Go ahead, Mr. Turnbull.
4:35 p.m.
Liberal
Ryan Turnbull Liberal Whitby, ON
Madam Chair, I just need to clarify. I'm utterly baffled as to where we're at. Could someone maybe just cover and restate what's going on now? I realize that we went back, with unanimous consent, to Ms. Normandin's subamendment. We voted in favour of that, or that did pass, and now I'm not quite understanding what Mr. Julian is proposing. Maybe he can restate and clarify for the committee.
4:35 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Bardish Chagger
Mr. Julian is removing the word “all” from the amendment as a subamendment.
4:35 p.m.
Liberal
4:35 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Bardish Chagger
Before I go to you, Ms. Khalid, in the amendment in the second paragraph, it says, “That this inquiry be granted all necessary powers to call witnesses from the government”. He is removing the word “all” before “political parties”. Is that correct, Mr. Julian?
