Evidence of meeting #14 for Justice and Human Rights in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was c-9.
A recording is available from Parliament.
Conservative
Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant South—Six Nations, ON
I'm not even done my point.
No one has raised a point of order. You're supposed to be independent, Chair.
Conservative
Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant South—Six Nations, ON
Not when you interrupt me, you're not.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal James Maloney
If you're going to continue making the same point you did on the point of order earlier—
Conservative
Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant South—Six Nations, ON
How do you know? You're not allowing me to finish my comments.
Conservative
Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant South—Six Nations, ON
You're not allowing me to finish my comments, Chair. That's completely inappropriate.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal James Maloney
What I'm saying is that you need to stick to the amendment we're dealing with right now.
Conservative
Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant South—Six Nations, ON
I'm speaking to that. If you'll let me finish, I will speak to it.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal James Maloney
As long as you keep it relevant to the clause we're debating, that will be fine.
Thank you, Mr. Brock. Continue.
Conservative
Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant South—Six Nations, ON
Mr. Lawton raised serious concerns about Bill C-9. When we raise concerns about Bill C-9, that is extremely relevant to every clause we are about to consider. Because he is not narrowing his commentary with respect to BQ-2, that does not, by definition, automatically mean that he's not speaking with relevance to the whole purpose behind Bill C-9.
That's where I object. That's where I wanted to support my colleague. That's why I wanted to call out these Liberal members, who refuse to be honest with Canadians that we need—
Liberal
Liberal
The Chair Liberal James Maloney
—whether it's a Liberal, a Conservative, or a Bloc member. If people are going to start calling each other names and using words like “lying”, this meeting is going to be really long, and I'm not going to put up with it.
Mr. Brock, you know better—
Conservative
Conservative
Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant South—Six Nations, ON
Give me the resources, and I'll sit all night.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal James Maloney
You know better than that, I know better than that and my colleagues on my right know better than that.
Please, I'm just asking for a level of civility here. Do not use words like “lying”, ascribing motive to people when they haven't been.... It's out of line.
Mr. Brock, you have the floor, but I'm just pleading with you—
Conservative
Liberal
Conservative
Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant South—Six Nations, ON
I take your comments to heart, and I hope that when you hear in particular the parliamentary secretary using that type of language in the House, you will pull her aside and you will call her out.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal James Maloney
Except we're not in the House. I can only control the process of the committee. Let's do that.
Conservative
Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant South—Six Nations, ON
I wanted to continue, sir, because I have some grave concerns, and that's why I challenged your decision. I don't know what authority in the green book you are relying upon to rule that the motion that I just indicated I wanted to deal with, which was a dilatory motion, was not appropriate to be dealt with here and now.
You made a ruling saying that the Bloc motion takes priority over my motion, and I wanted to ask you, perhaps in consultation with the clerks, what particular authority you are relying upon.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal James Maloney
The issue has been dealt with, Mr. Brock. If that's the end of your submission, we can move on to Mr. Baber.
Conservative
Roman Baber Conservative York Centre, ON
I'll quickly say, with respect to BQ-2, that I am mindful of the concern Mr. Fortin articulated. However, that could easily be dealt with by an amendment to remove reference to the swastika, as asked by various representatives of the Hindu community.
However, I'd like to understand this. Granted, I am new here. Nonetheless, this goes beyond our desire to talk about bail. I want to understand the process here. If a motion is sought, I would think it's not just a matter of order but also a matter of privilege that a member of this committee can ask for unanimous consent at any point. That would be a dilatory motion. We have a situation here where the chair ruled—respectfully—incorrectly in my view and is then able to sustain his own incorrect ruling with a vote. Effectively, what is happening here is this: You can dispose of decorum and the rules if the Liberal members vote in favour of doing so. In that case, what's the point of having any rules?
I'm asking the chair to please allow Mr. Brock to move his motion, and let's have a vote. Let's deal with Bill C-14—with bail and sentencing. Let's deal with that right now. To vote to effectively suspend the rules and continue with this terrible piece of legislation, Bill C-9, is not appropriate.
